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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 30, 2018 21:46:28 GMT -5
At this point in time, Cruz is without a doubt the greater legend, with the greater legacy. Comparatively, Cody is nothing. Cruz has cleaned out the Bantamweight division, come back from several major injuries, just as good as he was before, and done pretty much everything. He is a HoF lock. Cody is far, far, far from that at this point.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jan 31, 2018 0:04:51 GMT -5
At this point in time, Cruz is without a doubt the greater legend, with the greater legacy. Comparatively, Cody is nothing. Cruz has cleaned out the Bantamweight division, come back from several major injuries, just as good as he was before, and done pretty much everything. He is a HoF lock. Cody is far, far, far from that at this point. I don't disagree with that at all... I'm just saying it's stupid to say Cody and TJ are inferior fighters
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 31, 2018 0:36:29 GMT -5
Right now, until they prove themselves superior or even equal, they are. Your legacy, or even your quality as a fighter, is not defined by one fight. It's defined by a career. Right now, neither TJ nor Cody has a career comparable to Cruz. Thus, at this time, Cruz is the superior fighter.
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Jan 31, 2018 18:41:23 GMT -5
I don't remember him not being good, I remember him landing some shots and knocking TJ on his ass at the end of the first round, then TJ caught him with a head kick and punch. Pretty self-explanatory that Garbrandt is mostly all hype, just like the rest of Team AlphaFail. He puts up a performance like he did to beat Cruz for the belt yet can't get the job done against a vastly inferior fighter like Diddleskunk? Garbrandt's nothing too special. There's no evidence to support Dillashaw is a vastly inferior fighter. He's a two time Bantamweight champion and the only stain on his record is his loss to John Dodson. And he was still a young fighter at that time.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 31, 2018 19:25:13 GMT -5
Pretty self-explanatory that Garbrandt is mostly all hype, just like the rest of Team AlphaFail. He puts up a performance like he did to beat Cruz for the belt yet can't get the job done against a vastly inferior fighter like Diddleskunk? Garbrandt's nothing too special. There's no evidence to support Dillashaw is a vastly inferior fighter. He's a two time Bantamweight champion and the only stain on his record is his loss to John Dodson. And he was still a young fighter at that time. Read what Sandman said in his post just above yours there dude. All the truth.
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Jan 31, 2018 21:10:15 GMT -5
There's no evidence to support Dillashaw is a vastly inferior fighter. He's a two time Bantamweight champion and the only stain on his record is his loss to John Dodson. And he was still a young fighter at that time. Read what Sandman said in his post just above yours there dude. All the truth. I did read it. Dillashaw has experienced injuries as well and Cruz mostly wins decisions because he can't finish opponents. He's had like two knockouts in the last eight years and he's lost to Cody fucking Garbrandt, who is actual garbage, and got dominated pretty much all five rounds. The only reason Cruz won his decision against Dillashaw was because of his 4 landed takedowns. Other than that Dillashaw landed more strikes and overall did more damage. Plus Dillashaw finishes his opponents. In the last eight years Dillashaw has finished eight opponents, he was KOd by Dodson, he lost a split decision against Assuncao, which I also thought he won, and he faced Assuncao again and dominated him to win a unanimous decision. After that his only loss was to Cruz in an awful split decision.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 31, 2018 22:45:53 GMT -5
SPLIT DECISION
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Jan 31, 2018 23:03:01 GMT -5
What's your honest opinion on this situation?
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jan 31, 2018 23:07:05 GMT -5
Read what Sandman said in his post just above yours there dude. All the truth. I did read it. Dillashaw has experienced injuries as well and Cruz mostly wins decisions because he can't finish opponents. He's had like two knockouts in the last eight years and he's lost to Cody fucking Garbrandt, who is actual garbage, and got dominated pretty much all five rounds. The only reason Cruz won his decision against Dillashaw was because of his 4 landed takedowns. Other than that Dillashaw landed more strikes and overall did more damage. Plus Dillashaw finishes his opponents. In the last eight years Dillashaw has finished eight opponents, he was KOd by Dodson, he lost a split decision against Assuncao, which I also thought he won, and he faced Assuncao again and dominated him to win a unanimous decision. After that his only loss was to Cruz in an awful split decision. Garbrandt's not garbage the only person to ever beat him is Dillashaw and I'd argue he just got caught, same as when Dillashaw got caught at the end of the first round.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 31, 2018 23:23:55 GMT -5
Read what Sandman said in his post just above yours there dude. All the truth. I did read it. Dillashaw has experienced injuries as well and Cruz mostly wins decisions because he can't finish opponents. He's had like two knockouts in the last eight years and he's lost to Cody fucking Garbrandt, who is actual garbage, and got dominated pretty much all five rounds. The only reason Cruz won his decision against Dillashaw was because of his 4 landed takedowns. Other than that Dillashaw landed more strikes and overall did more damage. Plus Dillashaw finishes his opponents. In the last eight years Dillashaw has finished eight opponents, he was KOd by Dodson, he lost a split decision against Assuncao, which I also thought he won, and he faced Assuncao again and dominated him to win a unanimous decision. After that his only loss was to Cruz in an awful split decision. What fight were you watching? Diddleskunk couldn't hit the broad side of a barn against Cruz, and the ones he did land, hardly any were significant strikes at all. lol Whereas Garbrandt actually found a way to hit Cruz, which isn't easy, and alsobdid something Diddleskunk couldn't. So I wouldn't say Garbrandt is complete garbage,
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 1, 2018 4:10:01 GMT -5
dominick cruz should stick to announcing so cody shows him no love and owns him again
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 1, 2018 6:54:07 GMT -5
Honest opinion is that Cruz is the old guard, and the new guard hasn't cemented itself yet. AND the UFC doesn't promote its fighters to be legitimate stars, so no one anyone fights feels like a big fight or a big win, even though development would suggest that fighters are just getting better and more well-rounded as training regiments improve with assisted technology and awareness.
So, it's...
A lot of the guys who are at the top don't feel legitimate because they don't have that many fights. They don't have many fights against legit names. The UFC no longer helps in building "legit names". It's a vicious circle, but also more time is needed.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 1, 2018 7:49:11 GMT -5
Honest opinion is that Cruz is the old guard, and the new guard hasn't cemented itself yet. AND the UFC doesn't promote its fighters to be legitimate stars, so no one anyone fights feels like a big fight or a big win, even though development would suggest that fighters are just getting better and more well-rounded as training regiments improve with assisted technology and awareness. So, it's... A lot of the guys who are at the top don't feel legitimate because they don't have that many fights. They don't have many fights against legit names. The UFC no longer helps in building "legit names". It's a vicious circle, but also more time is needed. tooo much new blood too popular now so codys fast now but hell be slower as he gets older n newer fresher blood comes along iits no longer the days of oldmen i.e hendo, couture
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Feb 1, 2018 7:55:42 GMT -5
Although Cruz isn't that old... he's accomplished a lot and he's only 32
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 1, 2018 8:03:12 GMT -5
For sure and hopefully he still has a lot left in him, but he's one of those injury plagued guys that might fight like 2 more times between now and him being like 37.
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