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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 19, 2012 11:42:29 GMT -5
It's a really good idea. I really like both, but more so liking the sending up to 3 fighters to camp during the draft. That would make the most logical sense. I totally disagree with Sandman about the tossing around of points, especially since, on nearly every card, Sandman finds a way to throw in a "His team neglects him." or something to that effect. I highly doubt that anyone is neglecting their fighters on purpose. I mean, I do realize that you're trying to limit things a bit, which is fine to a point, however, we all have fighters that we want to upgrade yet rarely have the points to do anything substantial with them.
With the crop of fighters we do have now in the league, and the current virtually unstoppable fighters like Anderson, Carano, Kaufman, Cyborg, etc., maybe throwing around a few points isn't such a bad idea, especially when it comes to the Women's division.
That being said, I'd like to throw this out there possibly meshing the 2 ideas:
Each season, you may send up to 3 fighters to 3 different camps for "1 month" of training to receive 1 point for that fighter. If you elect for just 1 point, you pay no fight penalty
However, you may elect to send 1 or 2 fighters for 2 or 3 points of training at a camp to receive better benefit from the upgrade, at a penalty of 1 fight for 2 points and 2 fights for 3 points. Cuz as we all know, 1 point into 1 stat generally doesn't do a whole helluva lot.
So it'd basically break down like this:
1 point = 0 fight penalty 2 points = 1 fight penalty 3 points = 2 fight penalty
The catch obviously would be that if you elect to go the more points route, the number of fighters you can send to a camp is reduced. If you want 3 fighters to get 1 point each, then you send 3 fighters out and they each receive 1 point. If you want 2 points into your fighters, you may only send 2 fighters to camp, but each fighter with lose 1 fight that season... And finally, you can go for the full intensive training for 1 fighter, but that fighter would lose 2 fights over the course of the season.
Just a thought.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 19, 2012 16:00:46 GMT -5
Okay, I don't do this often, and I kinda hate to do it even now, but I am saying a whole bunch of No right now.
Absolutely NO free points. No "this guy of my choice gets free points in the offseason becuase he "trained", thus missing no fights or anything. No "0 fight penalty for 1 point" crap. Just no.
Points are a HUGE reward system. We ALL want more points - myself included. Keep in mind, I have traded a lot of established fighters for project fighters that need upgrading. But giving people points for doing NOTHING and giving up NOTHING is just not going to happen. Even with the system we have now, as Phoenix said above, we are on the fine edge of having fighters that are too dominate because of the upgrades we have put into them.
Now, that being said, I am not opposed to "free" points for the NEGLECTED fighters. (For the record, most of the time my neglect comments are a joke - I think I said Koscheck or Anderson or Le or someone was neglected at some point - one of those guys who has 10 points in him).
But for legit-neglected fighters i would be willing to work out some kind of bonus. So if we go with the "miss some fights, get some points" system, i would be willing to say "2 points to someone who has had no upgrades, 1 point for someone who has had upgrades". Or some other perk for untouched fighters, thus sharing the point spread.
BUT NO FREE POINTS.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 19, 2012 16:11:47 GMT -5
Agreed with no free points. I don't even like the system that Kruze suggested at all, to be honest.
It needs to be simple, but interesting.
1. You submit up to three fighters for upgrades, or three upgrades in general, at one point each, but missing one fight in doing so. 2. You pick a camp to submit a fighter to. Each fight team has specific stats applied to their camp. 3. The camp you send the fighter to SELECTS what point upgrade of the ones they are associated with will be applied to your fighter. This is done because it is THEIR camp, so THEY are training him, NOT YOU.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 19, 2012 16:19:39 GMT -5
The someone else's camp thing - I like the idea of them picking, cause they can scam you and like, upgrade Rampage's submission skills or something on you. It's all about risk I like risk. So maybe if each camp had 2 or 3 areas they train guys in or something and THEY pick whcih one they upgrade the person in? ------------ But what about this: You pick 2 stats that are your "Camp Skills". These are the possible points people can earn by sending someone to your camp - one of those 2. In the offseason, your most neglected fighter gets those upgrades for free (1 point to each of your Camp Skills). And like we discussed, other fighters can come to your camp, miss a couple fights, and come out with one of the skills, as selected by you, the camp.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 19, 2012 16:21:55 GMT -5
Awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 16:22:28 GMT -5
The someone else's camp thing - I like the idea of them picking, cause they can scam you and like, upgrade Rampage's submission skills or something on you. It's all about risk I like risk. Everyone will just upgrade a useless stat, everyone would stop using it, and this would die off
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 19, 2012 16:22:37 GMT -5
all muy fighter are neglected except rousey and machida, but if we go by neglected fighters then well eventually run out, also teams like grapplemuch who traded 3 fighters for 3 points wouldnt benefit due to lack of fighters
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 19, 2012 16:24:21 GMT -5
Disagree, Cor, you're just assuming everyone is a dick, and only having two points to pick from, you have already narrowed it down on what they are going to be improved on.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 19, 2012 16:33:35 GMT -5
You both misunderstood my senario a little bit there or I wasn't as clear as I should've been. The camp that you choose for your fighter to attend, the director/GM of that camp would still choose where the points that get allocated to the fighter(s) you send to their camp. So, in essence, you CAN screw over the fighters a little bit, if you want to. But each fight team would choose the 2-3 areas they specialize in. You just have control over which camp your fighter attends, but the GM of the camp your fighter is attending has control over the where the point(s) are allocated.
There's still risk involved here.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 19, 2012 18:55:38 GMT -5
Yes, we also said that same thing three times, we just disagreed with them skipping a fight and not getting penalized for it, or penalized less to do so.
^^^THIS^^^
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 19, 2012 19:16:52 GMT -5
Yes, we also said that same thing three times, we just disagreed with them skipping a fight and not getting penalized for it, or penalized less to do so. ^^^THIS^^^ How is it not getting penalized when: 1) The team camp GM is picking the attributes to add, not you. 2) How losing fights not being penalized?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 19, 2012 20:13:21 GMT -5
You suggested a "lesser" hit type of point system for penalties.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 19, 2012 22:07:44 GMT -5
The someone else's camp thing - I like the idea of them picking, cause they can scam you and like, upgrade Rampage's submission skills or something on you. It's all about risk I like risk. Everyone will just upgrade a useless stat, everyone would stop using it, and this would die off This is why I talked about the Camp Skills. Since YOUR FIGHTERS are the ones who benefit from it (and first - this off-season), then if you just choose things neither you nor anyone else uses, you get no benefit from that. all muy fighter are neglected except rousey and machida, but if we go by neglected fighters then well eventually run out, also teams like grapplemuch who traded 3 fighters for 3 points wouldnt benefit due to lack of fighters He would not benefit from this, but that is the trade off for acquiring points for fighters. He did benefit (points to use on his superstars), but he most likely will not benefit with this suggestion as it stands.
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Post by Ferocity on Dec 19, 2012 22:40:43 GMT -5
As already stated (since we like doing that in this thread):
Each Camp will pick a specialty and then when a fighter is sent to them choose an attribute to assign the points to within that specialty.
YAY new part of the game. Also, doing this during the draft makes tonnes of sense.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 19, 2012 23:09:30 GMT -5
people keep repeating parts because other people keep misunderstanding parts.
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