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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Nov 29, 2013 10:10:42 GMT -5
1) Phoenix will be the first to tell you that it is not his job (nor mine) to be Rocketmen and hand our favourite fighters to other teams. 2) I have offered Le to several teams struggling with MWs (since I am focussing on Askren). No one was interested. 3) No one has asked about any of my "Top dogs" since season 2. 4) If you think the whole site is about me winning titles, feel free to quit. Your ignorance is insulting to all of those who have invested time and effort and trust into me and the site for the past 2 years. So, about your top dogs...I'll buy Batista and I'll trade him for all of your champions/former champions Alright, so we can cross off #3 on this list...
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 29, 2013 10:12:53 GMT -5
Don't want Bautista, but we can work something out IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE FIGHTER YOU ARE AFTER. I actually really like my fighters, which is why I have loaded like, 30 points into them. If you just want them to fuck around with or don;t give a shit about them, not much point. Also, xx - Team GAP, I traded Benson Henderson when he was champ, and Kimbo Slice when he was like, 2 fights removed from being champ. So your argument there is wrong too.
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Nov 29, 2013 12:28:32 GMT -5
Don't want Bautista, but we can work something out IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE FIGHTER YOU ARE AFTER. I actually really like my fighters, which is why I have loaded like, 30 points into them. If you just want them to fuck around with or don;t give a shit about them, not much point. Also, xx - Team GAP, I traded Benson Henderson when he was champ, and Kimbo Slice when he was like, 2 fights removed from being champ. So your argument there is wrong too. Well, I just need a lightweight that's perhaps a little better than Pettis (Even though if I put the points in for him he can be legit, but I'm trying to make SpongeBob LashPants a champion) so I can have a scary team come GP.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 29, 2013 12:56:40 GMT -5
Aside from Hansen, I only really have Aoki and McGregor, neither of whom I would consider more legit than Pettis. Aoki might be able to beat Pettis, but he is still at about 50% win percentage and to take Aoki to a higher level will cost a lot more points than it would Pettis, because Aoki is a ground/Sub fighter. What I do in your case is shovel points into the guy I want to develop (Lashpants) and Camp Skills the fighter I have on the backburner (Pettis) until you're ready for him. Thing is, Pettis is kinda close, so a camp or two, plus a couple round-em-out points, he should be very decent.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 29, 2013 16:53:44 GMT -5
1) Phoenix will be the first to tell you that it is not his job (nor mine) to be Rocketmen and hand our favourite fighters to other teams. This is accurate. I was extremely pissed off when it was just expected of me that I basically hand over either Franklin or Fitch for nothing when I acquired Franklin and was basically bullied into "doing the right thing for the site". And in hindsight, I do regret doing it cuz despite Franklin winning the title, it only made my team worse, which I knew it would. So yah, I won't be handing over anyone for nothing ever again... whether it's "for the site" or not. I didn't then and I don't have the personnel on this team to be doing that shit now. Sorry.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 29, 2013 20:35:44 GMT -5
People prefer me.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 29, 2013 22:01:58 GMT -5
People prefer me. Well, I'm sure your Mom does... I dunno about people.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 0:11:28 GMT -5
If PHX is implying Mike donks his own mom, that's hardcore. #TeamKruze
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2013 2:14:51 GMT -5
1) Phoenix will be the first to tell you that it is not his job (nor mine) to be Rocketmen and hand our favourite fighters to other teams. This is accurate. I was extremely pissed off when it was just expected of me that I basically hand over either Franklin or Fitch for nothing when I acquired Franklin and was basically bullied into "doing the right thing for the site". And in hindsight, I do regret doing it cuz despite Franklin winning the title, it only made my team worse, which ore dicussing the fact that y m knew it would. So yah, I won't be handing over anyone for nothing ever again... whether it's "for the site" or not. I didn't then and I don't have the personnel on this team to be doing that shit now. Sorry. al I was really more so saying that Sandmen as the owner/operator of the site should be looking to benefit the site rather than the betterment of his own team... its just greedy and it looks bad on the site. If Sandmen wants to take issue with that fin.. he knows where i am.. if he just wants to ban me from the site fine too.. but i am discussing a relevent matter that i feel needs attention. Someone needs to look out for the interest of the site. guess that is me.. but whatever i'll probably just be ignored.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2013 3:08:08 GMT -5
This is accurate. I was extremely pissed off when it was just expected of me that I basically hand over either Franklin or Fitch for nothing when I acquired Franklin and was basically bullied into "doing the right thing for the site". And in hindsight, I do regret doing it cuz despite Franklin winning the title, it only made my team worse, which ore dicussing the fact that y m knew it would. So yah, I won't be handing over anyone for nothing ever again... whether it's "for the site" or not. I didn't then and I don't have the personnel on this team to be doing that shit now. Sorry. al I was really more so saying that Sandmen as the owner/operator of the site should be looking to benefit the site rather than the betterment of his own team... its just greedy and it looks bad on the site. If Sandmen wants to take issue with that fin.. he knows where i am.. if he just wants to ban me from the site fine too.. but i am discussing a relevent matter that i feel needs attention. Someone needs to look out for the interest of the site. guess that is me.. but whatever i'll probably just be ignored. It really depends what you mean. Like with my situation there, I was just expected to make my team shittier, even though (and stats dictated this at the end of the season) I ended up being the 2nd last team in the league. Why? Because I'm staff and I have to do "what's right for the league". But where was Byron? Tied for 8th and basically got into the GP minus the playoff with WCK... So ask me if I have any sympathy for Byron anymore. We gave the 25 posts for a point along with retro points to that, but I was still expected to make my team shittier, which is a mid-tier team at best in this league, all because I'm staff now; and because it's what RocketMen does. Truth is, I wasn't even going to do the Fitch or Franklin deal at all. It really was only when Sandman decided to tell me that he was basing his price on Fedor to GAP on what I did with Fitch or Franklin, and that price would go up or down based on what I did. So I was basically put into a position where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. My choices were these: I could a) keep both Fitch & Franklin and have Sandman gouge GAP for Fedor. 2) I get actual full value for Fitch or Franklin and Sandman would add an extra point to the price of what I got OR 3) I sell one of my good fighters for nothing to Byron to ensure GAP (whom I actually have a real friendship with) got the fighter he wanted for virtually the same price, and to keep Byron happy cuz he expected me to be like RocketMen. So I'm on both sides of this at this point because I was blackmailed and bullied into what I did, BUT when I actually have the team that I believe this group of fighters I have should be become that team... I don't want folks coming to me and saying that I have to give up Jason MacD or Sarah D because they're too damn good. I'm a bit bitter because of what happened to me. And sorry Sandman, but that needed to be made public cuz that was wrong on your part to do what you did there; manipulating the league or any member in it is wrong; staff or non-staff... doesn't matter. So this is where my stance on giving away fighters is: They shouldn't be given away unless you want to. Period. I, myself, won't be.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 4:13:42 GMT -5
I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. You said it all right there. That's why I ended this issue without dragging it out. Rather than a long drawn out poll over the weekend (when activity is at its lowest) about changing shit mid season, I went the "damned if I don't" route, and am content with moving forward...just as we did when we visited this issue about 8 seasons ago, and again 5 seasons ago. It's done, thank fucking God.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 30, 2013 4:43:51 GMT -5
I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. You said it all right there. That's why I ended this issue without dragging it out. Rather than a long drawn out poll over the weekend (when activity is at its lowest) about changing shit mid season, I went the "damned if I don't" route, and am content with moving forward...just as we did when we visited this issue about 8 seasons ago, and again 5 seasons ago. It's done, thank fucking God. Are you on glue? What you quoted me on there is just the tip of the fucking iceberg pal... Of course you're content with "moving forward" cuz you don't deal with a god damn thing... ever. It's always just swept under the rug until it comes back up again... "just as we did when we visited this issue about 8 seasons ago, and again 5 seasons ago." Cuz nothing gets resolved... you just "move forward" and "it's done". It's not done... it's just swept under the rug again.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 4:47:04 GMT -5
Speaking of sniffing glue, it's nice to see our 3 hour phone call is fresh in your memory now. The one where I asked you 4 or 5 times, "Are there any other problems, or is everything good?" and you kept saying, "Nah, everything's fine now that we talked."
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 4:48:06 GMT -5
I'm done with this in this thread now. If you wanna carry on, go to the thread in chat. I don't want this shit burying future fights when I archive it, so I am locking this thread now.
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