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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 15, 2014 6:48:04 GMT -5
The site has been open for over 2 years now, and some of us were far more dedicated to posting than others. On top of that, myself, Kruze and Sandman have all been at a point where we had to post far more posts than others to get a point. For example, when we started the site, I believe Sandman had himself at like 100 posts per point, me at 75 and the rest at 50 when we introduced the posts per point formula. Before that, you won points for winning a fight, if my memory serves me correct. Here are the amount of posts per member as of right this minute, and a approximation of how many days you've been on this site within about 5 to 10 days, and the average amount of posts per day each member makes. xx - Camp Cannon - 2545 - 3.5 posts per day avg @kadri43 - 717 - 14.34 posts per day avg Ferocity - 2213 - 3.03 posts per day avg @byronthammer - 553 - 0.87 posts per day avg xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club - 7909 - 13.75 posts per day avg xx - Former Rebel Storm - 606 - 2.37 posts per day avg xx - Team GAP - 4558 - 8.68 posts per day avg The Rocketmen - 6600 - 8.51 posts per day avg The Sandmen - 14110 - 18.20 posts per day avg xx - The Underdog Regime - 537 - 1.32 posts per day avg The West Coast Knockouts - 501 - 0.64 posts per day avg After looking at that, you should consider how many fighters each team has - a figure I do not have - in order to understand the following: 1. How many posts per point do each of these members receive? 2. How many bonus points have they received compared to the others. 3. How many fighters do they each have. 4. How many approximate points could be applied monthly to a given fighter based on the average post-counts per day. - Is it fair to limit those who actually participate in the sim site in order to improve fighters they like? No, it isn't. - Is it fair to have staff have to post far more to earn a point? Yes, because they get free posts from simming, but the work they have to do compared to you just writing a sentence is insanely under appreciated. I think Kruze realized that after taking over and subsequently dying off the ML division. - Is it fair to give more points to those that barely post? Maybe. But that's only because we like it when you participate in making a fighter better as it is more interesting for the site if the guys you have don't sit in still water for the rest of their careers. - If we make the points more easier to get for those who barely post, it risks the chance that you could just start mass posting (as you would call those who actually participate on the site "spammers") and thus ruin a new system by acquiring a ton of points you otherwise would never have received. There is no perfect system. Hell, look at GAP and I, and consider that we barely win titles - I just won a title for the first time in over a year. It's not an easy thing to win at, but I believe that with me getting a lot of posts, building a fighter up and then trading him to you, that many of you have been more than compensated for your lack of activity. The only one left that I feel I need to even up with as compared to the rest of the league is The West Coast Knockouts and I will get that done, if he learns to reply to a pm lol Anyways, some food for thought. I have no interest in being pushed up to a higher post count to earn a point, because I actually have a system I use to improve fighters and then build others up. Idea: But maybe we can introduce something where based on the average post per day, at the end of each month, the lowest people get a couple of bonus points for continuing to participate on the site. Outside of that, why should you deserve even more free points for not participating? lol You've already received free points here and there and better fighters from me.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 15, 2014 10:08:12 GMT -5
I'll be honest with you dude... All this looks like to me is a continuation of your recent vendetta against me and now that I'm going to be dropped back down to 50 posts/point, you think it's going to give me some ficticious and unfair advantage over everyone else because I'm actually active; and I only say that because mentioned me more times than any one else in that entire thing. I mean, have you not noticed that I've only ever made the GP 3 times in 7 seasons of being here? I've also only ever won 2 titles in that time, and both were due to drafting (Cruz) or auctioning for the fighter (Franklin); and even then, they were only available because a team quit. The other thing is that my post/point production dropped significantly last season aswell. Not only because of getting raised to 100 posts/point when my post volume hardly changed at all, but November was a complete write-off when I went to Alberta to visit my Granny before she died. I think you're mincing about nothing here really cuz the thing is, while I was staff last season, one of the things I was able to do was get the post limit lowered from 50 to 25 for those teams that have low post volumes and gave them the retro points up to the post count they were at aswell. So the league actually has made it easier for the low post volume teams to acquire points already. It's really up to them how much or how little they post cuz the league can only drop the limit so much before it gets unfair to anyone else. Just a question, but if you think it's fair for staff to be at 100 posts/point because they get free posts for simming, then why is it that you accepted a decrease to 50 posts/point while you were still simming the ML? Seems kind of backwards don't you think? But I do agree that the work done is under appreciated immensely. Also, if you're taking the last 10 days as an average for my post count, that's not exactly accurate with the spike in posting I've done recently due to other things, including your trolls. lol But to answer your questions: 1. New members & low volume posters receive 1 point for 25 posts; Regular members get 1 point for 50 posts; and Staff get 1 point for 100 posts. 2. That's irrelevant. What does it matter how many bonus points any team has gotten? We all have received bonus points with Predictor points, X-Mas points etc.; all are bonus. 3. With the purchases of of Serra & Quarry, I believe I'm sitting at a 24 fighter roster currently. I don't know what everyone else is at. 4. Again, irrelevant. It's up to the GMs of the teams what fighters get upgraded and how they upgrade those fighters based on what points they have and it really isn't for you to dictate that for them just as it isn't our job to tell you how to upgrade your fighters. I do however like the idea of giving the lower posting teams a bonus at the end of the month, BUT the problem with that it that it's going to be the exact same team(s) that get those points every month, so you might as well just make it so that Rebel Storm, Byron, Dogs and KO's get a free point every month and save the time and trouble of having to calculate everyone's post count when you'll get virtually the same result every time.
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Post by Ferocity on Feb 15, 2014 10:27:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what the 'problem' is... are there members who feel they aren't getting enough posts? Is their feeling legit? or are they whiners?
Can someone be clear and concise about this?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 15, 2014 10:54:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what the 'problem' is... are there members who feel they aren't getting enough posts? Is their feeling legit? or are they whiners? Can someone be clear and concise about this? I really wish I could, but I didn't post this. I honestly do feel like this is just another in the series of RocketMen's recent attacks on me cuz for my money, the only guy that's only somewhat legitimately complained about posting is Byron.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 15, 2014 11:22:10 GMT -5
Ok, I'm really asking this question, and there is no negative inflection to this question AT ALL. Know that before you answer.
But I was reading through your comment, Kruze, and thought it was directed at Cannon, until you started addressing things at me with the "you" you kept writing...
did you not realize that my entire post was SUPPORTING YOU?!
To summarize my post, the site has made it easier for non-posters to get points, and harder for high posters/staff. Then I said that I have given the non-posters amazing fighters that I've put on average 10 points into (at the very least) which is like giving them 10 additional points in a trade.
My ENTIRE post was saying that those who participate a lot on this site have to participate even more than the low-posting members to get a point, and we improve a ton of our fighters and tend to trade them off.
That was an entirely PRO-Kruze post lmao and I think (unless I read it wrong) I still got negative replies from Kruze...
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 15, 2014 11:22:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what the 'problem' is... are there members who feel they aren't getting enough posts? Is their feeling legit? or are they whiners? Can someone be clear and concise about this? I really wish I could, but I didn't post this. I honestly do feel like this is just another in the series of RocketMen's recent attacks on me cuz for my money, the only guy that's only somewhat legitimately complained about posting is Byron. Where did I complain about you?! What the hell? Are you this clouded on your judgment based on who posted something that you simply assume the worst?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 15, 2014 11:42:10 GMT -5
@ The Rocketmen: No, not at all. It just didn't read like that to me at all. To me it reads like you're wanting active folks like myself to have even higher posts for a point count and the lower post volume teams to have even lower posts for a point count, even though they were lowered for them last season. I obviously misread, but there doesn't seem to be much point to posting something like this other than that. I also don't know how you'd think I was referring to Cannon. lol He hasn't even posted in this thread.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 15, 2014 11:43:52 GMT -5
He posted the damn poll, which was initially posted as a slight calling you an idiot in like four options, then changed it to this poll, where I shared facts, said CLEARLY that I helped people, that we lowered the post count for points for folks who hardly post, and that Sandman gave away free points, then you just cut up everything I said and suggested I wrote it because of my vendetta lmao Talk about a "misread"...
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 15, 2014 11:59:13 GMT -5
Oh I see what happened... lol It went straight to page 2 and it looked like you posted the poll. Sorry dude.
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Post by Ferocity on Feb 15, 2014 14:21:18 GMT -5
nicely done boys. Now... (this way you don't ruin it)
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 15, 2014 14:54:22 GMT -5
The Thing is PHX whynes and bitches himself a point per day and was at 100 and quit staff in one of his hissy fits and i don't think he should be at 50 post per point as we all know how many time he post the same essay and whyning over and over again on one post and post whoring it up, This whole pool is to stop PHX from becoming to strong too fast look at how he whored it up and maxed d'alelio in just 23 fights
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 15, 2014 17:41:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand what the 'problem' is... are there members who feel they aren't getting enough posts? Is their feeling legit? or are they whiners? Can someone be clear and concise about this? Sure. Knockouts will never be able to catch up with the Phoenix's in this league at this current 50-posts-per-point, and the gap between the posters and the non-posters is getting bigger and bigger, arguably making it unfun for casual members. That is the debate.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 15, 2014 18:03:37 GMT -5
The Thing is PHX whynes and bitches himself a point per day and was at 100 and quit staff in one of his hissy fits and i don't think he should be at 50 post per point as we all know how many time he post the same essay and whyning over and over again on one post and post whoring it up, This whole pool is to stop PHX from becoming to strong too fast look at how he whored it up and maxed d'alelio in just 23 fights ROFL But no, this whole little poll of yours isn't bitching and whining or anything, is it Normand?! : I mean, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the fact that you actually think my team is a legitimate threat now and all, but "too strong, too fast"? lol I don't think so Tim... Cuz I mean, if my 7 seasons in the league with only 2 titles and 3 GP appearances is "too strong, too fast", what does that make you at 8-9 seasons, 6 titles and 6 consecutive GP appearances, with 3 of those 6 being finals appearances? Seriously... try thinking before you speak dude. Your facts are also not completely accurate, while I did step down from my staff because of being unhappy with the situation as it was, that had been building for a while due differences in philosophies between myself & Sandman thoughout the time I was "staff" and I just got to a point that I wasn't personally going to deal with it anymore, so I stepped down to save myself and everyone else on this site the stress and more "hissy fits", as you put it. It is kinda funny you bring that up though, since I seem to remember a certain someone quitting the entire site once, in one of his own little hissy fits, because one of his fighters lost a fight and he didn't get a rematch. Bring up my complaint over the whole Carano/D'Alelio fight all you want, but the fact is that while I did complain about it, I didn't quit the entire site over it. You did. And finally, you're honestly the last person who should be talking about post whoring up, complaining, whining & bitching about things, maxing out a fighter in any number of fights or about anyone's points for posts. Your incessant trolling of the folks on this site, mostly me, is just as annoying and frustrating to other people as any complaint or "essay" I've EVER posted during my time here... and the only differences between how I maxed out D'Alelio and how you maxed out Rousey are that, sure it took me less time but I didn't neglect my entire team for 3 seasons to do it; I didn't neglect my fighters at all to do it, and I also didn't fuck up my fighter by maxing out every stat under the sun until she was capped. Now, I get that you're pissed off and you don't like me, and that's fine... but honestly, the big nail in your coffin in this whole idea of yours here Normand, is that it's extremely difficult to take you seriously about limiting MY points for posts, or anyone else's for that matter, when you're the one sitting on 23 points and I only have 2 or 3 myself. Again, think before you speak Normand. You're Welcome.
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Post by Ferocity on Feb 15, 2014 18:18:27 GMT -5
Dammit xx - Camp Cannon, I know I didn't tell you to shut up specifically, but this thread was going so well. Now it's back in the shitter again. Thanks for that.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Feb 15, 2014 18:42:21 GMT -5
Dammit xx - Camp Cannon, I know I didn't tell you to shut up specifically, but this thread was going so well. Now it's back in the shitter again. Thanks for that. Watch your language woman this ain't the trash talk section
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