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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 27, 2015 11:22:50 GMT -5
Maybe you just really suck at building fighters? I highly doubt that... we all have the same options at upgrading our fighters. Maybe you should just STFU and stop being a troll... we've already got Cannon. lol
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Jan 27, 2015 11:24:17 GMT -5
I'm not trolling, it was a valid question. If all your fighters keep going down the suck road, maybe you just paved a shitty road?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 27, 2015 11:25:41 GMT -5
I think people enjoy specific fighter builds, but it is clear that submissions are starting to become a bit more important to pay attention to - both attack and defense.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 27, 2015 11:30:02 GMT -5
I'm not trolling, it was a valid question. If all your fighters keep going down the suck road, maybe you just paved a shitty road? With the same options at upgrading, it isn't though... And it's not that they're all completely shitty either... just for some reason, unbeknownst to many around here, including Sandman, my fighters tend to lose more than they win... in the big fights anyways. It's really strange... it's why I keep saying the simulator has some vendetta with my team lol It's really the only plausible explanation
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Jan 27, 2015 11:51:02 GMT -5
And being terrible at building fighters is implausible?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 27, 2015 15:35:04 GMT -5
In this particular format, it is.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 27, 2015 16:30:13 GMT -5
There are still "rights" and "wrongs". You did D'Alelio "wrong" and have since fixed her, and it shows now. She's legit-legit. I upgraded Tate "wrong" and still have yet to fix her. So now, Tate can walk through low and mid-tier fighters, but will probably never be a top 3. This is why I take a LONG time to cap out my fighters. Like Aoki, I have been slowly working on him for, what, 6 seasons? And it's finally paid off now, this season. I like to spot consistent holes and fill those. And really keep people on their "game plan". For Aoki, that is submissions, 100%. For Tate, she has no real game plan to stick to, so she floats in the upper levels of no-where land.
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Post by Ferocity on Jan 27, 2015 19:35:53 GMT -5
and it's a lot easier to take a striker and make them a bigger better striker than it is any other skill set, which is why I have good strikers and everyone gets ignored. I just don't have the expertise to help the others as much.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 28, 2015 3:40:47 GMT -5
There are still "rights" and "wrongs". You did D'Alelio "wrong" and have since fixed her, and it shows now. She's legit-legit. I upgraded Tate "wrong" and still have yet to fix her. So now, Tate can walk through low and mid-tier fighters, but will probably never be a top 3. This is why I take a LONG time to cap out my fighters. Like Aoki, I have been slowly working on him for, what, 6 seasons? And it's finally paid off now, this season. I like to spot consistent holes and fill those. And really keep people on their "game plan". For Aoki, that is submissions, 100%. For Tate, she has no real game plan to stick to, so she floats in the upper levels of no-where land. Can you message me privately, your opinion of a run down on my team's rights and wrongs? like this? I actually see a lot of constructiveness in this.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 28, 2015 8:40:20 GMT -5
There are still "rights" and "wrongs". You did D'Alelio "wrong" and have since fixed her, and it shows now. She's legit-legit. I upgraded Tate "wrong" and still have yet to fix her. So now, Tate can walk through low and mid-tier fighters, but will probably never be a top 3. This is why I take a LONG time to cap out my fighters. Like Aoki, I have been slowly working on him for, what, 6 seasons? And it's finally paid off now, this season. I like to spot consistent holes and fill those. And really keep people on their "game plan". For Aoki, that is submissions, 100%. For Tate, she has no real game plan to stick to, so she floats in the upper levels of no-where land. I've always disagreed with you on this particular point, especially as it pertains to D'Alelio. I did NOT build her "wrong". The style and the way she fights here in ManMMA is 100% bang on... the tweaks I've made to her have been so that she can compete in this format and she likely will need more just to keep competing once I'm finished with a few of my other fighters simply because the simulator heavily favors strikers over wrestlers or ground fighters. Just have a look at our current champions; all strikers... and at any given time otherwise, about 75%-90% of our champions have been strikers; you maybe see 1 or 2 ground fighters up there at the same time. So I still don't believe it's not that any of us have built our ground fighters wrong... even Coleman always loses to Overeem still when he likely shouldn't. What Ferocity said is more accurate. and it's a lot easier to take a striker and make them a bigger better striker than it is any other skill set, which is why I have good strikers and everyone gets ignored. I just don't have the expertise to help the others as much. The problem is that most of us actually do have the expertise or, at the very least, a working knowledge about MMA to be able to build these fighters to their skill sets, yet a guy like Bulldozers comes in, knows virtually nothing about MMA, and creates 2 legit fighters out of shit all. That's pretty bad.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 28, 2015 9:45:38 GMT -5
you are forgetting or at least not mentioning bulldozers ability to earn massive amounts of points so that he could hyper upgrade his dudes.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Jan 28, 2015 10:57:33 GMT -5
Yes, and he quit then came back as a "fake-not-himself" and then quit again I think? Weirdo.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 28, 2015 13:44:05 GMT -5
I've always disagreed with you on this particular point, I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but this point does become rather...messy when I upgrade my way and make champion after champion and you accuse me of being corrupt. The thing I do has worked for me, and I have offered my advice often, openly, and freely to everyone. It has subsequently worked for Bulldozers, who knew nothing about MMA at the time and built a champion from scratch, and I think Mike does a hybrid of my system and his own thing, and he's build 3 champions from scratch too. As the annoying cliche goes, "the proof is in the pudding".
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 28, 2015 17:20:44 GMT -5
I've always disagreed with you on this particular point, I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but this point does become rather...messy when I upgrade my way and make champion after champion and you accuse me of being corrupt. The thing I do has worked for me, and I have offered my advice often, openly, and freely to everyone. It has subsequently worked for Bulldozers, who knew nothing about MMA at the time and built a champion from scratch, and I think Mike does a hybrid of my system and his own thing, and he's build 3 champions from scratch too. As the annoying cliche goes, "the proof is in the pudding". Yes, but that's my point though bro... The proof is in the pudding because it basically comes down to only you and Mike, the two original members/admins of this site, that can "build fighters right" when there's more than a few other members of this site, such as myself, GAP and Cannon, that know MMA and are just as competent as either of you two when it comes to the sport, yet you two, especially you, claim that it's cuz you "know MMA and that's why you build champion after champion"... yet there's the rest of us that know MMA too and can't build a champion to save our lives or we build them to one championship then they never win it again. Meanwhile, all of your fighters that have been built to that level, remain at that level and the ones we've built don't... and when we all take a look at that championship banner, it's extremely discouraging because the only different faces we ever really see up there are generally yours or Mike's fighters... or, in the case of Bulldozers, you told him how to build the fighters. lol I honestly don't like seeing Overeem up there, but atleast it's someone different. Do you see what I'm getting at here? No one's accusing you of being corrupt... it's just extremely daunting and frustrating when there's more than just you and Mike that have a wealth of knowledge about MMA, yet hardly anyone else's fighters ever get anywhere, even though some of them are capped out already. Some of that's dumb luck, sure... but when we all have the same things that we can upgrade on our fighters, you'd think that there'd be more than just you two winning most of the championships with the competent people we have here.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 28, 2015 17:32:15 GMT -5
Yes, you just proved my point. But even that is besides the point. Let's focus on this...
Knowing MMA has nothing to do with building good fighters here. Cannon knows MMA but doesn't try to build people like real fighters at all - Rousey he was building to max out, so he is moot. GAP, who I have talked to several times about building fighters, is doing a technically fine job of building an MMA fighter, but you are not building MMA fighters, you are building fighters who fight in a simulator. Build Sarah to fight like she fights all you want, but if the simulator doesn't like what you are doing, you are fucked. What I do is exactly what I have been saying for 2 years here. It's no secret that you want to rebel against that because you think you know more than me, and that's fine. But my advice on how to build fighters with this simulator is working for most. Take it or leave it, but don't complain that you cannot build a good fighter or that you have bad luck when you blatantly ignore it and your fighters are constantly losing to fighters built with the system I have laid out.
Honestly, if Bulldozers could do it, anyone could.
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