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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 20, 2015 17:16:40 GMT -5
you cant deny rousey the best ufc bw in the world right now. shes ufc champ. theres no one in ufc that is close to her I totally can deny her of that. Can I claim I'm the best fighter in the world if all I ever fight is babies? Once she consistantly beats the best female fighters in the world then I can say she is legit... Until then .. Nope i didn say the world i said the ufc is there any girls in the ufc that can beat her????
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 20, 2015 20:27:38 GMT -5
I totally can deny her of that. Can I claim I'm the best fighter in the world if all I ever fight is babies? Once she consistantly beats the best female fighters in the world then I can say she is legit... Until then .. Nope i didn say the world i said the ufc is there any girls in the ufc that can beat her???? Yes there is... if we ever get an actual fight out of it, there's plenty of actual fighters that can whip Rousey's ass. Tate has been the only one that's been able to push her cuz she's been the only one, thus far, that's had the patience to wait for Rousey to bring the fight to her and allow her to make a mistake. The way you beat a defensive specialist is to make them to think offense, get them off their game then attack... Zingano, Davis, Kaufman, hell even Kedzie... all better fighters than Rousey... problem is: patience is (actually) a virtue aganist Rousey... Zingano and Davis didn't have the patience... they wanted to KO her right away, cuz they know damn well they can do it lol wear Rousey down first... we get so caught up in this hype you have to finish Rousey in the first minute, cuz that's what she does... nah... fuck her game.plan up first THEN fuck her up... it's what you need to do against a judo/defensive type like Ronda... you do that, Ronda won't know what to do...
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Mar 20, 2015 22:28:15 GMT -5
What Kruze said.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 21, 2015 5:27:35 GMT -5
Rousey is not a defensive specialist, though. Defensive specialists don't win all but 1 of their fights in the first round, often in the first minute. She is aggressive, and she is strong as hell when she gets a hold of you. She needs to fight an elite fucking striker. There are none of those in the UFC.
I agree with Byron she is the best female Bantamweight in the UFC. She is, however, beatable right now. Probably. It's all about whether Dana wants to test her or not. Right now, he does not. Bethe Correia is not a real test. She is not even a tune-up fight ffs. And Rousey getting the winner of Eye vs. Tate? Eye isn't technical enough to beat Rousey; she'd get her ass handed to her within 1 round, and Rousey has already beat Tate. Twice. Rather convincingly both times, as well.
Soooooo........... you know.... Ronda is handed the belt with a UFC record of 0-0, and she will probably hand it back to them with a UFC record of about 26-0. (Enough fights to break a bunch of male records, but not enough where the elite competition comes along, cuz why not, right? Beating male records = better story)
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 22, 2015 10:48:50 GMT -5
@ The Sandmen: You couldn't be more wrong about Rousey being a defensive specialist since judo is, fundamentally, a defensive discipline, not an offensive one. She understands momentum and the maneuverablity within momentum to get where she needs to be to execute her only offensive weapon; her armbar. If momentum hadn't carried her over to her toes, as it did against Zingano, Cat actually would've had her dead to rights for some tasty GnP to Ronda's troll face lol but that's not what happened, unfortunately, and Ronda was able to pull the momentum to her advantage, as she often does, cuz it's what she does.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 22, 2015 14:51:02 GMT -5
I feel like you are still talking about Ronda Rousey 2013, not Ronda Rousey 2015. Ronda has KOed 2 people, once with punches to the head and once with knees to the body. Those are very different offensive stand-up weapons. She is developing and developing very well. I could still not disagree with you any stronger about her using judo defensively, and I think we can either accept she is finishing all of her fights inside of 1 round because a) she is a defensive fighter and her opponents are TERRIBLE, or b) she is an offensive fighter, and she is better then her opponents at sttacking quickly and efficiently.
There is no way she is a defensive fighter, fighting the best fighters in the world, and destroying them (defensively) inside of 2 minutes. It would make no sense.
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 22, 2015 17:51:09 GMT -5
who give sa shit if she offensive or defensive shes killin everyone in the ufc shes the best in the ufc what are you 2 idiots arguing for about???
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 22, 2015 19:21:30 GMT -5
Point is she needs an elite opponent where its an elite striker or an elite wrestler or elite bjj... We need someone that will either play rouseys game better than rousey can play.... Or a striker that wont play rouseys game at all. Personally i think the way to beat rousey is let rousey come to you and pop her in the face every time she trys to grapple... And counter punch her
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Mar 22, 2015 22:38:07 GMT -5
Regardless, we all hate Ronda Rousey and hope to see her demise as soon as possible.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 23, 2015 4:51:18 GMT -5
So true.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 24, 2015 16:44:21 GMT -5
I feel like you are still talking about Ronda Rousey 2013, not Ronda Rousey 2015. Ronda has KOed 2 people, once with punches to the head and once with knees to the body. Those are very different offensive stand-up weapons. She is developing and developing very well. I could still not disagree with you any stronger about her using judo defensively, and I think we can either accept she is finishing all of her fights inside of 1 round because a) she iis a defensive fighter and her opponents are TERRIBLE, or b) she is an offensive fighter, and she is better then her opponents at sttacking quickly and efficiently. There is no way she is a defensive fighter, fighting the best fighters in the world, and destroying them (defensively) inside of 2 minutes. It would make no sense. Bullshit... Rousey beat Davis by KO because of a defensive throw; judo... that got her in that position. I honestly feel like you like arguing for the sake of it, not cuz you have any point. Has Rousey gotten better? Yes.. she gotten better; anyone that hasn't gotten better in 10 years shouldn't even be there... that's not the point. Are you saying that she's vastly better than the 2013 Rousey? Not vastly... any idiot can take the initiative when they get a headlock throw like Rousey did against Davis and just start pounding the head... Rousey doesn't get better cuz she doesn't have to... until she gets that real "oh shit" moment... she'll never be anything but a great defensive champion.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 24, 2015 19:17:32 GMT -5
I feel like you are still talking about Ronda Rousey 2013, not Ronda Rousey 2015. Ronda has KOed 2 people, once with punches to the head and once with knees to the body. Those are very different offensive stand-up weapons. She is developing and developing very well. I could still not disagree with you any stronger about her using judo defensively, and I think we can either accept she is finishing all of her fights inside of 1 round because a) she iis a defensive fighter and her opponents are TERRIBLE, or b) she is an offensive fighter, and she is better then her opponents at sttacking quickly and efficiently. There is no way she is a defensive fighter, fighting the best fighters in the world, and destroying them (defensively) inside of 2 minutes. It would make no sense. Bullshit... Rousey beat Davis by KO because of a defensive throw; judo... that got her in that position. I honestly feel like you like arguing for the sake of it, not cuz you have any point. Has Rousey gotten better? Yes.. she gotten better; anyone that hasn't gotten better in 10 years shouldn't even be there... that's not the point. Are you saying that she's vastly better than the 2013 Rousey? Not vastly... any idiot can take the initiative when they get a headlock throw like Rousey did against Davis and just start pounding the head... Rousey doesn't get better cuz she doesn't have to... until she gets that real "oh shit" moment... she'll never be anything but a great defensive champion. she didnt knock anyone else out from her "judo throws" so are you saying sarah d'alelio should quit just cause she starts throwing a Superman punch here and there doesnt make her any better..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 24, 2015 20:13:44 GMT -5
...sigh.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 24, 2015 20:37:04 GMT -5
Just Sayin' she threw and missed a few superman punches vs lauren murphy in invicta and PHX was all up on the site wanting her re-buffed to include superman punches thinking somehow she better cus she can throw it all of a sudden..
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 24, 2015 23:34:44 GMT -5
Just Sayin' she threw and missed a few superman punches vs lauren murphy in invicta and PHX was all up on the site wanting her re-buffed to include superman punches thinking somehow she better cus she can throw it all of a sudden.. What fight were you watching? lol She connected on 5/6 of those superman punches on Murphy... but yes, generally when you add something to your arsenal as a fighter, that usually means you've gotten better... not that I'd expect you to understand that seeing as how Rousey is your favorite "fighter" and she's never added anything to her arsenal or gotten any better lol
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