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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 11, 2015 15:25:24 GMT -5
Perhaps, but I meant more him saying it as trying to be insulting wasn't ouch at all. lol Who do you believe he was trying to be insulting to? It's kind of a statement of fact at this point that Edmonton sucks, so it's not really an insult to anyone.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 11, 2015 16:30:36 GMT -5
Better to have a future in chaos then a present in Edmonton. Actually, the present in Edmonton's not so bad now with Chiarelli in charge. lol And with your 4 1st overall picks. Considering how many chances you've guys been given you don't deserve McDavid. I would've rathered him go to Arizona of Buffalo then Edmonton. Fucking Gretzky now McDavid. It's not even fair. The leafs need a 1st more than anybody at this point. I want Matthews now.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 12, 2015 0:01:40 GMT -5
Actually, the present in Edmonton's not so bad now with Chiarelli in charge. lol And with your 4 1st overall picks. Considering how many chances you've guys been given you don't deserve McDavid. I would've rathered him go to Arizona of Buffalo then Edmonton. Fucking Gretzky now McDavid. It's not even fair. The leafs need a 1st more than anybody at this point. I want Matthews now. Aww... boo fucking hoo Typical whiny Leafs fan though... but I'd be pretty pissed if my team hadn't won in nearly 50 years either.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 12, 2015 1:32:27 GMT -5
What the fuck? Arizona or Buffalo? Fuck that. FIrst of all, Arizona doesn't need or deserve a fucking hockey team. It's a desert, people. DESERT! Second, Buffalo, at least it's a hockey-esque city, but intentionally tanking? Fuck that shit.
Glad EDM got the McDavid.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 12, 2015 2:34:52 GMT -5
Umm... Arizona's a desert, not a dessert. What kind of weird sand filled pastry would that be, I wonder?! lol
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 12, 2015 3:50:13 GMT -5
Pie
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 12, 2015 8:04:38 GMT -5
What the fuck? Arizona or Buffalo? Fuck that. FIrst of all, Arizona doesn't need or deserve a fucking hockey team. It's a desert, people. DESERT! Second, Buffalo, at least it's a hockey-esque city, but intentionally tanking? Fuck that shit. Glad EDM got the McDavid. First off, getting a player like McDavid or Eichel in Arizona would give them a fan base. Also Buffalo isn't that big in hockey either yet 17000 people went to watch the training camp because of Eichel. Edmonton has won 3 draft lotteries before 2015 and should've already been in the playoffs or close to it. Arizona isn't gonna last in the NHL which is why it made so much sense for them to tank because if the got McDavid they'd have a pretty large fan base. Toronto hasn't won a cup or even made it to the finals since 1967. As a Leafs fan I wanna see them win a cup before I die.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 12, 2015 10:38:34 GMT -5
What the fuck? Arizona or Buffalo? Fuck that. FIrst of all, Arizona doesn't need or deserve a fucking hockey team. It's a desert, people. DESERT! Second, Buffalo, at least it's a hockey-esque city, but intentionally tanking? Fuck that shit. Glad EDM got the McDavid. First off, getting a player like McDavid or Eichel in Arizona would give them a fan base. Also Buffalo isn't that big in hockey either yet 17000 people went to watch the training camp because of Eichel. Edmonton has won 3 draft lotteries before 2015 and should've already been in the playoffs or close to it. Arizona isn't gonna last in the NHL which is why it made so much sense for them to tank because if the got McDavid they'd have a pretty large fan base. Toronto hasn't won a cup or even made it to the finals since 1967. As a Leafs fan I wanna see them win a cup before I die. Actually no... the Oilers had it pretty rough actually in the top pick department only in terms of the best players in these draft years being 95%-98% forwards and virtually no D at their picks, save for Nurse. It's a wonderful thing to have the 1st overall or a top 10 pick, but not being able to draft a top defenseman other than Nurse has been the biggest issue plaguing them. You see teams like Shittsburgh, Chicago and Detroit... they were able to obtain guys like Letang, Keith, Seabrook, Konstantinov, Lidstrom (in a late round), Fischer (2nd round). Sure, Detroit was taking more risks selecting Europeans & Russians in later rounds, and fortunately for them it paid off and they did come to North America, but the quality of defenseman just hasn't been there in the years that they've had they're 1st overalls on a player comparison. Are you going to take an Erik Gudbranson over a Taylor Hall? ...an Adam Larsson over a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? ...or a Ryan Murray over a Nail Yakupov? In hindsight, sure as pertains to maybe the last 2 there, maybe, but for me, as a fan, I would've done pretty much the same thing, at the time, except for Nail, I probably would've taken Murray with that pick and I was hoping that's what they would've done actually. With the Oilers, it's honestly when you get to a situation like in 2009 and they had the 10th overall pick and they chose Magnus Pajaarvi over Ryan Ellis and kept with the trend of drafting forwards when the reality is that you can get really good and most times a top 5, sometimes even a top 3, ranked defenseman from 6-10; ie. Nurse. It's their supporting picks that they've never capitalized on in the drafts and that's a big reason they are where they are right now.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 12, 2015 11:11:04 GMT -5
First off, getting a player like McDavid or Eichel in Arizona would give them a fan base. Also Buffalo isn't that big in hockey either yet 17000 people went to watch the training camp because of Eichel. Edmonton has won 3 draft lotteries before 2015 and should've already been in the playoffs or close to it. Arizona isn't gonna last in the NHL which is why it made so much sense for them to tank because if the got McDavid they'd have a pretty large fan base. Toronto hasn't won a cup or even made it to the finals since 1967. As a Leafs fan I wanna see them win a cup before I die. Actually no... the Oilers had it pretty rough actually in the top pick department only in terms of the best players in these draft years being 95%-98% forwards and virtually no D at their picks, save for Nurse. It's a wonderful thing to have the 1st overall or a top 10 pick, but not being able to draft a top defenseman other than Nurse has been the biggest issue plaguing them. You see teams like Shittsburgh, Chicago and Detroit... they were able to obtain guys like Letang, Keith, Seabrook, Konstantinov, Lidstrom (in a late round), Fischer (2nd round). Sure, Detroit was taking more risks selecting Europeans & Russians in later rounds, and fortunately for them it paid off and they did come to North America, but the quality of defenseman just hasn't been there in the years that they've had they're 1st overalls on a player comparison. Are you going to take an Erik Gudbranson over a Taylor Hall? ...an Adam Larsson over a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? ...or a Ryan Murray over a Nail Yakupov? In hindsight, sure as pertains to maybe the last 2 there, maybe, but for me, as a fan, I would've done pretty much the same thing, at the time, except for Nail, I probably would've taken Murray with that pick and I was hoping that's what they would've done actually. With the Oilers, it's honestly when you get to a situation like in 2009 and they had the 10th overall pick and they chose Magnus Pajaarvi over Ryan Ellis and kept with the trend of drafting forwards when the reality is that you can get really good and most times a top 5, sometimes even a top 3, ranked defenseman from 6-10; ie. Nurse. It's their supporting picks that they've never capitalized on in the drafts and that's a big reason they are where they are right now. You drafted Nurse and Klefbom.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 12, 2015 12:42:29 GMT -5
Actually no... the Oilers had it pretty rough actually in the top pick department only in terms of the best players in these draft years being 95%-98% forwards and virtually no D at their picks, save for Nurse. It's a wonderful thing to have the 1st overall or a top 10 pick, but not being able to draft a top defenseman other than Nurse has been the biggest issue plaguing them. You see teams like Shittsburgh, Chicago and Detroit... they were able to obtain guys like Letang, Keith, Seabrook, Konstantinov, Lidstrom (in a late round), Fischer (2nd round). Sure, Detroit was taking more risks selecting Europeans & Russians in later rounds, and fortunately for them it paid off and they did come to North America, but the quality of defenseman just hasn't been there in the years that they've had they're 1st overalls on a player comparison. Are you going to take an Erik Gudbranson over a Taylor Hall? ...an Adam Larsson over a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? ...or a Ryan Murray over a Nail Yakupov? In hindsight, sure as pertains to maybe the last 2 there, maybe, but for me, as a fan, I would've done pretty much the same thing, at the time, except for Nail, I probably would've taken Murray with that pick and I was hoping that's what they would've done actually. With the Oilers, it's honestly when you get to a situation like in 2009 and they had the 10th overall pick and they chose Magnus Pajaarvi over Ryan Ellis and kept with the trend of drafting forwards when the reality is that you can get really good and most times a top 5, sometimes even a top 3, ranked defenseman from 6-10; ie. Nurse. It's their supporting picks that they've never capitalized on in the drafts and that's a big reason they are where they are right now. You drafted Nurse and Klefbom. Yah, but are you telling me that Klefbom's even close to a Murray or an Ellis? I think not there bro. He's good, but not that caliber of good.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 12, 2015 14:11:52 GMT -5
Detroit always took their time to develop their prospects. Edmonton has been tossing them in pretty quickly. There is definitely a difference between 1st overall picks and Detroit's development system with later dsraft picks though, but I am very curious to see how Babcock and his crew can convert the Leafs prospects and potential now, using the system they used in Detroit. I am kinda excited to be a somewhat-Leaf fan at this time, surprisingly. Moreso than if they had a contender team. (Probably because I don't actually watch all their games, just follow them passively )
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Jul 12, 2015 20:34:06 GMT -5
Detroit always took their time to develop their prospects. Edmonton has been tossing them in pretty quickly. There is definitely a difference between 1st overall picks and Detroit's development system with later dsraft picks though, but I am very curious to see how Babcock and his crew can convert the Leafs prospects and potential now, using the system they used in Detroit. I am kinda excited to be a somewhat-Leaf fan at this time, surprisingly. Moreso than if they had a contender team. (Probably because I don't actually watch all their games, just follow them passively ) As a Leaf fan that watches mostly all of their games it's depressing. I'm happy we have Babcock now but they never even gave Kessel the chance to work with him. I'm also happy that they will develop their prospects but I wanna see them win a cup before I'm my dads age.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 12, 2015 20:57:53 GMT -5
Kessel is great...but by the time the Leafs will be where they are trying to get, Kessel will be past his prime. He would serve no purpose there, neither for himself nor for his teammates. He has a history of meh-attitude, which is terrible when you are trying to re-establish an attitude in a dressing room, so you need to be careful to keep that type of poison away in a developing system.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 12, 2015 21:13:32 GMT -5
I... I just can't talk anything hockey related to Leafs fans anymore... I will just enjoy watching their development without any current or former players dicks in my mouth.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 12, 2015 23:12:22 GMT -5
Detroit always took their time to develop their prospects. Edmonton has been tossing them in pretty quickly. There is definitely a difference between 1st overall picks and Detroit's development system with later dsraft picks though, but I am very curious to see how Babcock and his crew can convert the Leafs prospects and potential now, using the system they used in Detroit. I am kinda excited to be a somewhat-Leaf fan at this time, surprisingly. Moreso than if they had a contender team. (Probably because I don't actually watch all their games, just follow them passively ) They stole Babcock for 50 million dollars fucking pricks
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