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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Sept 21, 2015 19:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Sept 21, 2015 20:41:20 GMT -5
WHAT THE FUCK
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 21, 2015 21:19:53 GMT -5
who knows
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 21, 2015 23:06:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm happy dropping the trial (since I'm being accused of bullshit here), but it would be ideal for Phoenix to apologize and withdraw all his implications and blatant cliams of me cheating, having inside knowledge, or any further or prior implications of cheating or corruption one way or another.
The sole reason I wanted this trial is because we live in a world where you cannot just make baseless accusations. People are innocent until proven guilty. If he has no case WHAT SO RUDDY EVER, I will happily move on with my life and accept his apology.
Especially this past week, I feel I have put far too much time, work, stress, and even money into ManMMA now to have to deal with such bullshit. I was looking forward to having impartial members clear this up once and for all, but if he wants to formally withdraw his previous claims, apologize, and agree not to slander me or the site's integrity in the future, that would satisfy me in this case.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Sept 21, 2015 23:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm happy dropping the trial (since I'm being accused of bullshit here), but it would be ideal for Phoenix to apologize and withdraw all his implications and blatant cliams of me cheating, having inside knowledge, or any further or prior implications of cheating or corruption one way or another. The sole reason I wanted this trial is because we live in a world where you cannot just make baseless accusations. People are innocent until proven guilty. If he has no case WHAT SO RUDDY EVER, I will happily move on with my life and accept his apology. Especially this past week, I feel I have put far too much time, work, stress, and even money into ManMMA now to have to deal with such bullshit. I was looking forward to having impartial members clear this up once and for all, but if he wants to formally withdraw his previous claims, apologize, and agree not to slander me or the site's integrity in the future, that would satisfy me in this case. not gonna happen Jack . This saga will never end unless 2 things happen . 1) you give Kruze the screen shots he wants of his fighters or 2) you ban him (again) and don't bring him back .
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 22, 2015 0:13:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm happy dropping the trial (since I'm being accused of bullshit here), but it would be ideal for Phoenix to apologize and withdraw all his implications and blatant cliams of me cheating, having inside knowledge, or any further or prior implications of cheating or corruption one way or another. The sole reason I wanted this trial is because we live in a world where you cannot just make baseless accusations. People are innocent until proven guilty. If he has no case WHAT SO RUDDY EVER, I will happily move on with my life and accept his apology. Especially this past week, I feel I have put far too much time, work, stress, and even money into ManMMA now to have to deal with such bullshit. I was looking forward to having impartial members clear this up once and for all, but if he wants to formally withdraw his previous claims, apologize, and agree not to slander me or the site's integrity in the future, that would satisfy me in this case. I've never claimed you were cheating, had "inside knowledge", or any other of you little buzz words for this, so there is nothing to apologize for or withdraw. It's not inside knowledge to have learned something Justin. It's called acquired knowledge. There's a big difference. The sole reason you wanted to do this was to swing your dick around. Your behavior on Skype and in this thread is a clear indication of that. So, bravo... *golf clap* you've done that. You should be very pleased with yourself. I have a case, but 1) I don't have the time to put anything together in the miniscule time frame you want this whisked through at. I have far more important, real life things to deal with right now than do this. You may get the luxury of sitting at home and being a househusband all day, I don't. And 2) The charges I would've brought up would've been far different than what you were likely thinking they would be. The truth isn't slander Justin. I've been on both sides of the coin on this site and I do know how you operate, especially when people aren't doing what you want them to or agreeing with you. So again, I withdraw nothing I've said, not will I apologize for telling the truth. The reality is that I should be asking you for an apology and for your slanderous comments and actions to stop... but you won't do that. You truly feel you've done nothing wrong and that's really too bad... cuz you're actually not a bad guy when your nose isn't stuck so far up in the air. not gonna happen Jack . This saga will never end unless 2 things happen . 1) you give Kruze the screen shots he wants of his fighters or 2) you ban him (again) and don't bring him back . No, I didn't ask just for my own fighters. I never have and I never would. That wouldn't be fair to the rest of the people in the league. I have previously asked for all fighter attributes to be released, and in talking to Sandman about it, I agree that all fighters would actually be a time consuming task. When I had the time, I would've done it myself if he'd allowed it, but that's not going to happen either. However, I still believe that releasing the capped fighters attributes, to their respective GMs, would be the route to go for tweaking purposes as well as allow everyone to better understand how the upgrades do work.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 22, 2015 7:00:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm happy dropping the trial (since I'm being accused of bullshit here), but it would be ideal for Phoenix to apologize and withdraw all his implications and blatant cliams of me cheating, having inside knowledge, or any further or prior implications of cheating or corruption one way or another. The sole reason I wanted this trial is because we live in a world where you cannot just make baseless accusations. People are innocent until proven guilty. If he has no case WHAT SO RUDDY EVER, I will happily move on with my life and accept his apology. Especially this past week, I feel I have put far too much time, work, stress, and even money into ManMMA now to have to deal with such bullshit. I was looking forward to having impartial members clear this up once and for all, but if he wants to formally withdraw his previous claims, apologize, and agree not to slander me or the site's integrity in the future, that would satisfy me in this case. not gonna happen Jack . This saga will never end unless 2 things happen . 1) you give Kruze the screen shots he wants of his fighters or 2) you ban him (again) and don't bring him back . Sadly, option two would save me so, so, so many headaches. But as you said elsewhere, I'm a sap and it's really difficult for me to ban someone who is so passionate about the site. Even if most of it is rage and anti-Sandmen-ism.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 22, 2015 7:22:15 GMT -5
It's not inside knowledge to have learned something Justin. It's called acquired knowledge. Alright, so let's seriously consider the one thing Kruze has officially claimed on this site over and over, without us using any fucking language he doesn't believe is what he said. (Capitalized for transcript appearance purposes) PROSECUTION: JUSTIN IS BEING CHARGED WITH THE FOLLOWING - BEING THE SOLE OPERATOR OF A SIMULATION PROGRAM IN WHICH HE IS ABLE TO VIEW FIGHTER ATTRIBUTES AND PURCHASE UPGRADES BASED ON SAID KNOWLEDGE ONCE HE'S ACCUMULATED POINTS ON A 40 POSTS PER POINT BASIS. ASSUMED FURTHERINGS (based on context): WITH THIS INFORMATION, JUSTIN IS ABLE TO AFFORD HIMSELF THE LUXURY OF POTENTIAL IMPROVED UPGRADING SKILLS, WHICH REFLECTS ON THE WINS-LOSS RATIO OF HIS TEAM OVER 15 SEASONS. AS NO ONE ELSE IS THE SIMMER AND HAS GATHERED THE UPGRADES INFORMATION AND PROCESSED THEM FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENTERTAINMENT ON THIS SITE, HE HAS IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO ALL FIGHTER INFORMATION TO REVIEW AT HIS OWN DISCRETION WHEN PROCESSING AND ALLOCATING POINTS. THIS, IN TURN, PROVIDES HIM WITH A HIGHER WINNING PERCENTAGE TEAM, AND LESS FAULTY FIGHTER BUILDS BECAUSE OF IT. THE DEFENSE AND JURY ARE CHALLENGED TO RECOGNIZE THE POSSIBLE SIGNIFICANCE A SIMMER HAS UPON THIS KNOWLEDGE AND MUST DETERMINE IF IT IS STILL IN FAIR PLAY THAT HE HAVE A TEAM, AND IF ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, ASIDE FROM CURRENTLY ONE, HAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS POTENTIAL BREACH OF CONFIDENTIALITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL'S CONTINUED PARTICIPATION ON ACCOUNT OF ALSO SIMMING. (In lamen's terms for those who don't enjoy capitalized letters - does Justin opening the simulation program to upgrade fighters accordingly, including his own, give him an unfair advantage against the league that goes beyond the norm and possibly dabble into the category of cheating because of his high team success record?) DEFENSE MAY COUNTER, UNLESS THE JURY IMMEDIATELY DOES NOT CARE. Basically, is this one person's problem with the site, or is this a civil suit where the entire league is bothered by the events? There. Instead of pussy-footing around the issue and topic and word selections, that's what it is, and that's what needs to be understood. As laid out above, Kruze does not believe that summary is an accusation of cheating, but rather that he has an unfair advantage because of his two/three years of working with the program for our amusement. The Jury: xx - Camp Cannonxx - Former BulldozersFerocityLord Byron's Conquistadorsxx - Team GAPxx - The Broad Street BulliesThe Mighty Ducksxx - The Underdog RegimeThe West Coast KnockoutsNOTE: THIS WAS NOT DONE TO TROLL OR ANYTHING OF A NEGATIVE NATURE. IT IS TO BRING TO LIGHT THE CONSTANT FRUSTRATION THAT A GIVEN MEMBER HAS SUFFERED, AND ALLOW THE REST OF THE LEAGUE (aka jury) TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS ENOUGH VALIDITY IN THE CONCERN TO CONSTITUTE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MATTER.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 22, 2015 8:04:03 GMT -5
Now, as an opinion of my own regarding this, any sim site has the same thing happening. It's impossible for Justin to say he doesn't do something unless people just take his word for it. If we all didn't take his word for it, then the entire site would assume that he's cheating. In the mean time, any simmer for any simulation site (NHL or otherwise) has access to information because he is the simmer. I haven't seen any level of advanced success beyond just looking at 15 seasons that someone has been on the site for and accounting for their long-term development of fighters. It just makes sense mathematically in my head that over 15 years, even with slashed points-earning to account for posts regarding simmed fights, that he and other members part of the site for that long, would have a good winning record because of the longevity accorded to said developed fighters.
I would agree to that same mathematical assessment of smaller roster teams with less focus to maintain such a large roster and suffer the total losses simply because there's only so many points you earn in a season, and less fighters means more attention. I think that part is simple to understand.
So the real question is whether or not anyone thinks Justin is cheating (A WORD THAT I AM USING), and if no one thinks he is (given his track record of helping inform people on how and what to upgrade in private conversations and public assessments in post-fight reviews) then we can move on and continue to enjoy the site.
IF someone agrees that he is somehow cheating, which is basically unprovable, then the only resolution is for him to not have a team, and thus have less activity on a site that already is dwindling in committed participation.
So, in a nutshell, every simulation site has accusations of a simmer cheating when the simmer wins something. It's nothing new, it's just the personality exploiting it.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Sept 22, 2015 8:11:33 GMT -5
thanks for finally summing that all up. i dont know. i dont really care if the simmer wins a belt. hes been here longer. my fighters are competitive and i could get more points if i was more active, but ive been slacking lately. so, im in the no category regarding whether or not he's cheating. i dont think so. also, this is how i see kruze regarding anything on this sim site that sandman tries to fix:
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 22, 2015 10:35:40 GMT -5
It's not inside knowledge to have learned something Justin. It's called acquired knowledge. Alright, so let's seriously consider the one thing Kruze has officially claimed on this site over and over, without us using any fucking language he doesn't believe is what he said. (Capitalized for transcript appearance purposes) PROSECUTION: JUSTIN IS BEING CHARGED WITH THE FOLLOWING - BEING THE SOLE OPERATOR OF A SIMULATION PROGRAM IN WHICH HE IS ABLE TO VIEW FIGHTER ATTRIBUTES AND PURCHASE UPGRADES BASED ON SAID KNOWLEDGE ONCE HE'S ACCUMULATED POINTS ON A 40 POSTS PER POINT BASIS. ASSUMED FURTHERINGS (based on context): WITH THIS INFORMATION, JUSTIN IS ABLE TO AFFORD HIMSELF THE LUXURY OF POTENTIAL IMPROVED UPGRADING SKILLS, WHICH REFLECTS ON THE WINS-LOSS RATIO OF HIS TEAM OVER 15 SEASONS. AS NO ONE ELSE IS THE SIMMER AND HAS GATHERED THE UPGRADES INFORMATION AND PROCESSED THEM FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENTERTAINMENT ON THIS SITE, HE HAS IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO ALL FIGHTER INFORMATION TO REVIEW AT HIS OWN DISCRETION WHEN PROCESSING AND ALLOCATING POINTS. THIS, IN TURN, PROVIDES HIM WITH A HIGHER WINNING PERCENTAGE TEAM, AND LESS FAULTY FIGHTER BUILDS BECAUSE OF IT. THE DEFENSE AND JURY ARE CHALLENGED TO RECOGNIZE THE POSSIBLE SIGNIFICANCE A SIMMER HAS UPON THIS KNOWLEDGE AND MUST DETERMINE IF IT IS STILL IN FAIR PLAY THAT HE HAVE A TEAM, AND IF ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE, ASIDE FROM CURRENTLY ONE, HAS AN ISSUE WITH THIS POTENTIAL BREACH OF CONFIDENTIALITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL'S CONTINUED PARTICIPATION ON ACCOUNT OF ALSO SIMMING. (In lamen's terms for those who don't enjoy capitalized letters - does Justin opening the simulation program to upgrade fighters accordingly, including his own, give him an unfair advantage against the league that goes beyond the norm and possibly dabble into the category of cheating because of his high team success record?) DEFENSE MAY COUNTER, UNLESS THE JURY IMMEDIATELY DOES NOT CARE. Basically, is this one person's problem with the site, or is this a civil suit where the entire league is bothered by the events? There. Instead of pussy-footing around the issue and topic and word selections, that's what it is, and that's what needs to be understood. As laid out above, Kruze does not believe that summary is an accusation of cheating, but rather that he has an unfair advantage because of his two/three years of working with the program for our amusement. The Jury: xx - Camp Cannonxx - Former BulldozersFerocityLord Byron's Conquistadorsxx - Team GAPxx - The Broad Street BulliesThe Mighty Ducksxx - The Underdog RegimeThe West Coast KnockoutsNOTE: THIS WAS NOT DONE TO TROLL OR ANYTHING OF A NEGATIVE NATURE. IT IS TO BRING TO LIGHT THE CONSTANT FRUSTRATION THAT A GIVEN MEMBER HAS SUFFERED, AND ALLOW THE REST OF THE LEAGUE (aka jury) TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS ENOUGH VALIDITY IN THE CONCERN TO CONSTITUTE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MATTER. 1) If it wasn't done as a troll, then why is most of it in capital letters 2) I've already stated that I wasn't going to be participating in this, so this is simply you putting me on trial now. I did NOT make formal charges or opening statements. 3) I did NOT say "does Justin opening the simulation program to upgrade fighters accordingly, including his own, give him an unfair advantage against the league that goes beyond the norm and possibly dabble into the category of cheating because of his high team success record?" a) It's not cheating. b) It's not just simply him opening the program. 4) It's exactly THIS type of behavior and this type of bad interpretation of my words that I requested you be no where near anything to do with this. This is bias, callous and completely fabricated by YOU, putting words in my mouth that I did NOT say at all and again going back to the fact that you THINK that I'm claiming he's cheating... FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME... I NEVER SAID HE WAS CHEATING EVER!!! It's you that keeps saying that I do and accusing me of saying so! Big difference there. This is exactly what I was talking about though in terms of you being incapable of being non-bias in this situation. 5) The fact that you're even proceeding on this without me just speaks volumes that all this was, was one giant troll to try and slander me, yet it's being claimed that's what I'm doing to Sandman. If you really feel that way, then why are you using slander to fight slander? Oh wait, it's turning into exactly what I said it would "a popularity contest". You don't want facts here. You don't want non-bias proceedings.... neither does Sandman. You want this to come out with Sandman smelling like roses and throw me under the bus. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't be leading everyone to the conclusion you want by making this statement above.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 22, 2015 10:49:37 GMT -5
It's not just simply him opening the program. It pretty much is. "Open program. Open fighter. +1 to stat upgraded. Auto-strat. Save. Close" 5) The fact that you're even proceeding on this without me just speaks This wasn't proceeding WITHOUT you, it's been proceeding BECAUSE of you. You started with the accusations, implications, and "proof is in thepuddings" and other mindless babbble literally years ago. You keep going on about having all this proof all over the site and all this other shit, when all you do is accuse. If you want to just shut the fuck up and enjoy the site, every single member here would appreciate it, I'm sure.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Sept 22, 2015 11:01:16 GMT -5
lol how is what rocketman said at all slandering or putting words into any mouths? he took your exact comment and gave it context. jesus christ, are you fucking insane? right off the bat, you ask why it's in capital letters... it says it in the post. did you even read the damn thing?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 22, 2015 12:27:27 GMT -5
It's not just simply him opening the program. It pretty much is. "Open program. Open fighter. +1 to stat upgraded. Auto-strat. Save. Close" I get that's what you're saying... and in terms of physically inputting the upgrades to the fighters, I have absolutely no doubt that's exactly what happens. That was never a question from my end. Again, you keep bringing up things that I've never even mentioned. 5) The fact that you're even proceeding on this without me just speaks This wasn't proceeding WITHOUT you, it's been proceeding BECAUSE of you. You started with the accusations, implications, and "proof is in thepuddings" and other mindless babbble literally years ago. You keep going on about having all this proof all over the site and all this other shit, when all you do is accuse. If you want to just shut the fuck up and enjoy the site, every single member here would appreciate it, I'm sure. I didn't make any accusation or implications of anything of what you've claimed I have because you've ingrained it into your own paranoid little head that I've been accusing you of cheating, and you'll sit there and yell at the top of your lungs about it to anyone that will listen, yet I never have made those claims or accusations. So why is it that you're so worked up and paranoid about saying that I'm accusing you of cheating when I never have? The reality is Justin, the only actual accusations that have been been made in this entire situation, are the ones being made by you and Rocketman claiming that I've said you were cheating. Period. lol how is what rocketman said at all slandering or putting words into any mouths? he took your exact comment and gave it context. jesus christ, are you fucking insane? right off the bat, you ask why it's in capital letters... it says it in the post. did you even read the damn thing? Because he's trying to speak on my behalf and is still making up false accusations that were never made in the first place. And I read it, and the capital letters weren't required for the reason he claimed.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Sept 22, 2015 12:39:45 GMT -5
recent examples of kruze talking about cheating: EXAMPLE 1 Cool, I have lots of work you can do this season, starting with re-formatting and updating fight history if you want to do that. A job I don't trust you (or anyone else with) is having access to the only protection ManMMA has against people cheating. You're pretty daft if you really think I would cheat, let alone hand out information in order for people to cheat. I'd have no reason to do that if entrusted with that information. But, by saying that, you're basically saying you're allowed to cheat yourself. Which begs the question: what are you hiding if no one can see that information? Especially for their own fighters... EXAMPLE 2 1) You've given no one any reason to think that you don't; other than you word... which is what you'd have from me. It's the same thing; it's called trust... Look it up. 2) No. Allowing me access to the mast files to make screen shots of the fighters to give teams their own fighters' attributes would likely a) show that you're not cheating, b) give everyone the ability to see what, if anything they've been doing wrong and c) put everyone, that chooses to keep track, on the same level as you in terms of understanding the program. ... The only way it makes it worthless is if you really are cheating and keeping yourself at top of the league by manipulating the system.
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