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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 22, 2017 11:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jun 22, 2017 14:08:15 GMT -5
Yay he killed someone really, really far away. Awesome. Congratulations, you professional and honoured murderer!
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 22, 2017 16:07:00 GMT -5
Oh, you see an issue with a military member killing a terrorist? Interesting.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jun 22, 2017 17:58:14 GMT -5
Oh, you take sarcasm at face value with no critical thinking skills? Interesting indeed.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 22, 2017 18:33:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna be completely honest right now. I have no idea what half that comment means. Sarcasm at face value? The fuck.. lol
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jun 22, 2017 20:10:02 GMT -5
But only a real soldier can stab someone til they die standin' in front of them, starin' straight into their eyes
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 23, 2017 17:14:58 GMT -5
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 23, 2017 18:35:01 GMT -5
Anybody who doesn't want to be there should be allowed to leave, but soldiers should be allowed to fight terrorism. I don't agree that they should I pulled from battle. I think ISIS should be getting pounded with everything everyone has to offer. Well... all the firepower the countries have to offer at least.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 23, 2017 20:15:15 GMT -5
In video games, the bad guys have things like red outlines, or distinguishable uniforms. In real war, that is not the case, and oftentimes "ISIS" turns out to be a daycare, or a Al Jazeera reporter. These are human beings, and if killed, they do not simply respawn. In real military combat, the concept of "the fog of war" is a VERY real thing. You absolutely can not have people just shooting at things because they are there "to fight terrorism" and think they have the right to kill anything and everything.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 23, 2017 20:24:56 GMT -5
The rules of engagement state that you aren't allowed to just shoot whatever you want. There has to be a clear, immanent threat to you before you're allowed to open fire. If you shoot a civilian they will charge you with murder.
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Jun 23, 2017 20:32:53 GMT -5
I'm so back and forth when it comes to war, because yeah, I hate terrorism and wouldn't care if the fuckin scrubs blew themselves up, but casualties of war are a real thing, and it's hard to say "Yay we shot someone over two miles away, that totally makes us forget about shooting the four or five non terrorists earlier by accident, but how about that shot, eh!?" That's why bombing isn't an option. There would be a lot more innocent lives lost than terrorists.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jun 23, 2017 20:40:49 GMT -5
Listen, I agree with that statement. It's really hard to talk about war because there are far more cons than pros, but doing whatever it takes to end terrorism is necessary in my opinion. It honestly sucks that innocent people die, but how many more would die if everyone just sat back and did nothing. The only difference is it could be you right now reading this, or it could be someone in another Iraq or Syria or Iran or Afghanistan. It sounds selfish and wrong, but I would save my life, an American or Canadian life over someone in the middle of war. I'm not saying our lives are more important than there's, but it's just what I, and most other people would do.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 23, 2017 23:53:50 GMT -5
I think you have to realize that the world is not that simple. There aren't just people born who decide to be terrorists because they are bored. Terrorism is brought on by history. This entire wave of terrorism and extremism is likely a backlash against the War on Terror (post-September 11). And THAT was brought on by the previous war, etc.
Here is how this shit works.
1) A country "liberates" another. i.e. America "liberates" Iraq. From a North American perspective, cute. We "win". But that is not what happens. The Iraqi people, men, women, children, their streets are war-torn, their innoncent family members are murdered, and their streets are occupied, and they are scared. And the people patrolling their streets are wearing American military uniforms. The man who accidentally shot daddy is an American soldier. Who you did not ask to come into your home, who does not speak to you, just yells at you to get down. So that happens.
2) American soldiers leave, and declare victory. The countries infrastructure is destroyed. Houses, schools, etc. Done. The average family knows this: their husband/father is dead, their school is demolished, their teacher is dead, their water supply is tainted/destroyed, their food has become scarce. Their lives were better off with Saddam Hussien than it is now.
3) The kids who were getting A's in school no longer have a school. So they have limited or no job prospects. People murdered their parents/siblings, etc. Their family is starving. And before the American soldiers came in to THEIR country, and THEIR homes, they were doing fine. This breeds hate. Because, let's be honest, if a group of people destroyed your family, you would hate them, no?
4) These kids grow up, and want to fight back. There is political or military option to avenge their loved ones, and take back their lives, and they have limited future prospects. So they turn to extremism and terrorism.
5) They orchestrate and carry out a terrorist attack against, say, the United States (remember the flag sewn on those soldiers that murdered daddy? Yeah, those guys).
6) America declares a war on terror in retaliation in the name of liberation, and boom. See step 1 again.
This is absolutely what happens. Killing terrorists will not end terrorism. Helping build infrastructure, families, etc. That will stop it. If you help, or even just stay the fuck out, they will have no reason to hate you. They will grow up with loving parents, not destroyed families. They will have water, schools, food. They will have lives. And so will we.
These are the fun facts about terrorism. It's hard to sell peace when someone is attacking you. Our primitive, animal instincts tell us to get retribution. But we are not animals. We have brains, we have education, we have research, and we have history. And we have facts. And facts show that you cannot fight terrorism with more war. Not unless you essentially genocide an entire country.
Primary Sources
Iraq in Fragments (2006)
My Country, My Country (2006)
Secondary Sources:
About Baghdad (2003)
Control Room (2004)
Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
No End in Sight (2007)
Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq (2007)
The Tillman Story (2010)
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Jun 24, 2017 12:57:40 GMT -5
I think you have to realize that the world is not that simple. There aren't just people born who decide to be terrorists because they are bored. Terrorism is brought on by history. This entire wave of terrorism and extremism is likely a backlash against the War on Terror (post-September 11). And THAT was brought on by the previous war, etc. Here is how this shit works. 1) A country "liberates" another. i.e. America "liberates" Iraq. From a North American perspective, cute. We "win". But that is not what happens. The Iraqi people, men, women, children, their streets are war-torn, their innoncent family members are murdered, and their streets are occupied, and they are scared. And the people patrolling their streets are wearing American military uniforms. The man who accidentally shot daddy is an American soldier. Who you did not ask to come into your home, who does not speak to you, just yells at you to get down. So that happens. 2) American soldiers leave, and declare victory. The countries infrastructure is destroyed. Houses, schools, etc. Done. The average family knows this: their husband/father is dead, their school is demolished, their teacher is dead, their water supply is tainted/destroyed, their food has become scarce. Their lives were better off with Saddam Hussien than it is now. 3) The kids who were getting A's in school no longer have a school. So they have limited or no job prospects. People murdered their parents/siblings, etc. Their family is starving. And before the American soldiers came in to THEIR country, and THEIR homes, they were doing fine. This breeds hate. Because, let's be honest, if a group of people destroyed your family, you would hate them, no? 4) These kids grow up, and want to fight back. There is political or military option to avenge their loved ones, and take back their lives, and they have limited future prospects. So they turn to extremism and terrorism. 5) They orchestrate and carry out a terrorist attack against, say, the United States (remember the flag sewn on those soldiers that murdered daddy? Yeah, those guys). 6) America declares a war on terror in retaliation in the name of liberation, and boom. See step 1 again. This is absolutely what happens. Killing terrorists will not end terrorism. Helping build infrastructure, families, etc. That will stop it. If you help, or even just stay the fuck out, they will have no reason to hate you. They will grow up with loving parents, not destroyed families. They will have water, schools, food. They will have lives. And so will we. These are the fun facts about terrorism. It's hard to sell peace when someone is attacking you. Our primitive, animal instincts tell us to get retribution. But we are not animals. We have brains, we have education, we have research, and we have history. And we have facts. And facts show that you cannot fight terrorism with more war. Not unless you essentially genocide an entire country. Primary Sources
Iraq in Fragments (2006)
My Country, My Country (2006)
Secondary Sources:
About Baghdad (2003)
Control Room (2004)
Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)
No End in Sight (2007)
Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq (2007)
The Tillman Story (2010) If only all those solutions were realistic enough to work |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jun 24, 2017 14:10:07 GMT -5
They are.
Step 1: Stay the fuck out of other people's countries.
Step 2: Keep doing that, while building peaceful, diplomatic relationships with that country.
Solved.
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x8 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!