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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 5, 2017 22:24:14 GMT -5
Can't wait for you to quote the Bible where Jesus was in a pit fight. Unless that's just another truth you can't provide supporting evidence for? LMAO I wouldn't quote the Bible man... I'm a Pagan.That is a strange way to spell autistic.  |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Sept 5, 2017 22:32:45 GMT -5
umm i just want a new fighter this draft im fine with 2 points a week but yeah if he fighter addition pans out by draft that would be good
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 5, 2017 22:37:29 GMT -5
LMAO I wouldn't quote the Bible man... I'm a Pagan.That is a strange way to spell autistic. Oh that's clever... Your homeboy Justin whisper that into your ear while you were panicking cuz "Kruze just owned me... Wtf?" Keep spooning fellas... You might find something. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 5, 2017 22:53:48 GMT -5
lol
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Sept 5, 2017 23:40:08 GMT -5
Wtf we need more caps and upgrades tho so projects can be finished faster. Welcome to team gap.... where i have spent 15 seasons upgrading project fighters. And im almost done but not quite. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Sept 5, 2017 23:45:27 GMT -5
Wtf we need more caps and upgrades tho so projects can be finished faster. Welcome to team gap.... where i have spent 15 seasons upgrading project fighters. And im almost done but not quite. well i would like a couple new project fighter this season lol |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 7, 2017 8:11:55 GMT -5
Snakes is right... It's either that or we raise the effing caps dude. Before long all fighters are going to be capped anyways. Either let us work on our "projects" by giving us more salary or raise the caps so we can work on our best fighters that you want us to anyways. Yeah, the plan is the same as it has always been - narrow the gap between the un-upgraded and the capped. My plan is definitely to raise the cap SLIGHTLY at some point, but definitely before we talk about increasing any sort of salary. Neither will be happening super-soon though, unfortunately. Well something's gotta give though here dude... Even if it's just a little bit. We've got folks here wanting to upgrade more, which isn't a bad thing. But on the flip side of that, we've also got invariably inactive teams like Bullies & Ferocity that are sitting on 60+ unused points, also a number of teams sitting on the cusp of 30-40 unused points as well, and they're all still gaining salary each week while those of us that are upgrading, and adhering to the 15 point limit, are looking at that and thinking "Oh shit... When's that hammer going to fall?" I dunno man... The raising of weekly salary and the caps in all weight classes, including the women, seems to make a lot of sense right now. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 7, 2017 9:02:22 GMT -5
Well something's gotta give though here dude... Even if it's just a little bit. We've got folks here wanting to upgrade more, which isn't a bad thing. But on the flip side of that, we've also got invariably inactive teams like Bullies & Ferocity that are sitting on 60+ unused points, also a number of teams sitting on the cusp of 30-40 unused points as well, and they're all still gaining salary each week while those of us that are upgrading, and adhering to the 15 point limit, are looking at that and thinking "Oh shit... When's that hammer going to fall?" I dunno man... The raising of weekly salary and the caps in all weight classes, including the women, seems to make a lot of sense right now. This entire block of text just contradicts itself and proves that there is nothing wrong as is. 1) On one hand, we have teams with lots of points. On the other, we have teams upgrading like mad. Because of our system, people can choose to do either. 2) We have a ton of capped fighters. But few of them are champions, or elite contenders. So why would I increase cap when the current cap is not mastered? You don't need more upgrades, you need to upgrade better. Fine-tune. It's about HOW, not about HOW MUCH. 3) I have said it a dozen times, the women's cap is not moving until we have more parity. We are still not there. Getting closer than we have, but we are still not there. And again, the problem with the women is not that people need more room to do more upgrades. It's that you need to just upgrade WELL, instead of MORE. 4) More points and more cap room will not make your people better, male or female. But it will increase the spread between the capped, and the untouched fighters immensely, which has been a problem with the women's division since caps came in (which is WHY caps came in). 5) Again, your whole argument is self-contradictory. You are saying you don't have enough points to do what you want to do (hence you want more salary), but are also saying you don't have enough cap space to do what you need to do with your points (hence wanting caps raised). Makes no sense. 6) If you want more points, anyone can earn more points. Just sign up to do some ManMMA jobs, or get some new members. (Or win a belt, or GP, etc). Now, here's a big thing to consider with caps, because you guys seem to think I just put them in arbitrarily to be a jerk.
The caps are what make ManMMA a game of Chess meets Rock, Paper, Scissors. When you have a cap, you cannot max out every stat. The fewer stats you can max out, the more holes your opponent can exploit. Similarly, the more chances YOU have to win. The more I increase cap, the more well-rounded fighters will become, and the more their defensive holes will close up. The better EVERYONE becomes, the shittier FIGHTS become. If Brock is an excellent wrestler now, awesome. He can get wrestle-wins. If everyone is capped at 90, then Brock will no longer be an excellent wrestler, because everyone can excel at wrestling. And striking. And grappling. And clinching. etc. So now, people have to choose where they want to focus their offense, sure, but also they have to pick how they want to balance their defence. It is impossible to be a master takedown defender as well as a master dodger, as well as a master submission defence specialist, while having an effective offensive game. The more and more you can cap, the less and less fighters will stand out. Reminder - when I simmed a series of test-fights when we introduced upgrading, the fight between my 2 Tool Fighters (both with all stats capped), every single fight is a decision. No one can accomplish anything offensively. The fights are boring and terrible. That will not become ManMMA. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 7, 2017 10:01:33 GMT -5
I'm not quoting all that The Sandmen lol But my point doesn't contradict at all. Especially when you look at the teams, Ferocity aside, that are bordering on or have excess of 20 points. All of of those teams have either current or perennial champions already, and are, more often than not, all annual GP qualifiers as well. Now you can sit there and say til you're blue in the face that it all comes down to good/poor upgrading, and to a point, maybe... But there are folks here, like myself, that have struggled with it constantly whether it's been "following your advice" or not, and have reaped little to no success out of it either way, even on fighters you do deem to be good ones. And unfortunately for you as the simmer/admin, more often than not, and whether it's coincidence or not, it's often fighters you like personally or teams that are in your good graces that don't disagree with you often, that are the ones finding more success on the site than not. That's just a fact. I understand having the caps and the structure. That's not the issue. It's just, as you know, I've always thought the caps were a touch too low, especially the women... And pertaining to points, with looming hammer of already top teams letting loose up to 70 points onto their teams in one foul swoop, that doesn't bode well for anyone, but least of all teams that already struggle with upgrading as it is. It comes back to my old argument from before where it seems like we're just keeping the top teams at the top and bottom teams at the bottom. And that sux too. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 7, 2017 14:00:21 GMT -5
And unfortunately for you as the simmer/admin, more often than not, and whether it's coincidence or not, it's often fighters you like personally or teams that are in your good graces that don't disagree with you often, that are the ones finding more success on the site than not. That's just a fact. This bullshit right here is the exact point at which you lost any hope in hell of getting anywhere with this suggestion. I was thinking about moving the women's cap at the end of next season, but this block of text just put the nail in that coffin, and pretty much closed this discussion entirely. And that's just a fact. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Sept 7, 2017 14:00:30 GMT -5
Welcome to team gap.... where i have spent 15 seasons upgrading project fighters. And im almost done but not quite. well i would like a couple new project fighter this season lol Then spend your time building them up. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 7, 2017 14:57:13 GMT -5
And unfortunately for you as the simmer/admin, more often than not, and whether it's coincidence or not, it's often fighters you like personally or teams that are in your good graces that don't disagree with you often, that are the ones finding more success on the site than not. That's just a fact. This bullshit right here is the exact point at which you lost any hope in hell of getting anywhere with this suggestion. I was thinking about moving the women's cap at the end of next season, but this block of text just put the nail in that coffin, and pretty much closed this discussion entirely. And that's just a fact. Obviously not bullshit judging by your reaction and subsequent aim at "punishment" on it. Same shit from you, different day. lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 7, 2017 15:32:59 GMT -5
Obviously not bullshit judging by your reaction and subsequent aim at "punishment" on it. Same shit from you, different day. lol You're right. It is the same shit from you, a different day. I really don;t know why I keep removing your ban, since you clearly will never stop accusing me of cheating. I'm gonna take a bit of time to think on it, but at this point there might be a good chance you are not here next season. Something's gotta give, right? And you're clearly never going to stop with this crap, no matter how many times I tell you it is unacceptable here. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Sept 7, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -5
well i would like a couple new project fighter this season lol Then spend your time building them up. im just going to draft a new fighter this season if the fighter cap doesnt go up by one ill just figure out whom im gunna drop by the end of next season.. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 7, 2017 16:06:52 GMT -5
Obviously not bullshit judging by your reaction and subsequent aim at "punishment" on it. Same shit from you, different day. lol You're right. It is the same shit from you, a different day. I really don;t know why I keep removing your ban, since you clearly will never stop accusing me of cheating. I'm gonna take a bit of time to think on it, but at this point there might be a good chance you are not here next season. Something's gotta give, right? And you're clearly never going to stop with this crap, no matter how many times I tell you it is unacceptable here. Check your ego there bud. Cuz, again, there was no accusations of cheating there whatsoever. It's just what seems to happen. How you take that is on you dude. Just like you say how I take things is on me. It's not a different set of rules for you. If you had any inclination to raise the women's cap, you'd do it... No matter what anyone said. |
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