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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 14:33:08 GMT -5
shouldn't that be +1 Byron for gsp's title win because of the trade I made with The Texas Rattlesnakes?? I think it is no Here's my issue with this whole thing. This title clause was never waived, so if, for example, we were looking at things from a legal standpoint, it would still exist. This point would not go to GAP, it would go to Byron. It is up to The Sandmen and xx - Team GAP to do their due dillengece when making an acquisition to ensure they are free and clear. This is why people have lawyers when they purchase a house - to ensure there are no liens or anything on the property. I feel like if this was anyone but GAP I would be saying, "That does such, but unfortunately, the clause follows GSP as it would in any other legal situation, you didn't do your due dilligence, so you don't get the ONE point, but you have GSP. That's the cost of doing business." But becuase it is GAP, I hesitate and am reluctant to enforce that and feel inclined to let either The Texas Rattlesnakes or the league pay the debt. In the end, I do not think either of those is fair, and in the interest of treating everyone equally, including people I like, I'm going to say the point from this title win goes to Byron, as was agreed upon in the original trade, with the clauses that were not waived nor voided. And now, once and for all, this GSP trade is completed and I never have to hear about it, nor deal with it again. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Sept 2, 2019 14:54:54 GMT -5
Here's my issue with this whole thing. This title clause was never waived, so if, for example, we were looking at things from a legal standpoint, it would still exist. This point would not go to GAP, it would go to Byron. It is up to The Sandmen and xx - Team GAP to do their due dillengece when making an acquisition to ensure they are free and clear. This is why people have lawyers when they purchase a house - to ensure there are no liens or anything on the property. I feel like if this was anyone but GAP I would be saying, "That does such, but unfortunately, the clause follows GSP as it would in any other legal situation, you didn't do your due dilligence, so you don't get the ONE point, but you have GSP. That's the cost of doing business." But becuase it is GAP, I hesitate and am reluctant to enforce that and feel inclined to let either The Texas Rattlesnakes or the league pay the debt. In the end, I do not think either of those is fair, and in the interest of treating everyone equally, including people I like, I'm going to say the point from this title win goes to Byron, as was agreed upon in the original trade, with the clauses that were not waived nor voided. And now, once and for all, this GSP trade is completed and I never have to hear about it, nor deal with it again. Rattlesnakes can pay the point ... not me. im not losing out due to this. i just ranted on the sandmen-Gap trade thread. It is unfair to me and I am very angry about this now! rattlesnakes made the deal he can pay for it. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 15:11:38 GMT -5
That, or "It's one damned point that cost you absolutely nothing, since you have GSP with or without that point." Either/or.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 2, 2019 15:25:27 GMT -5
Not to stir anything up, but, I'm not sure why this came up again.
Wasn't this already agreed by Rattlesnakes, in that trade thread, that he was going to pay the point for this if it happened, not GAP?
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 15:26:53 GMT -5
Not to stir anything up, but, I'm not sure why this came up again. Wasn't this already agreed by Rattlesnakes, in that trade thread, that he was going to pay the point for this if it happened, not GAP? Whether he said he would or not, that was not the terms of the agreement, and not something that can just be changed and thrown around. Plus, Snakes already owes 2 other teams 17 points, so I don't need to add a third to that list of owings. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 2, 2019 15:41:26 GMT -5
Not to stir anything up, but, I'm not sure why this came up again. Wasn't this already agreed by Rattlesnakes, in that trade thread, that he was going to pay the point for this if it happened, not GAP? Whether he said he would or not, that was not the terms of the agreement, and not something that can just be changed and thrown around. Plus, Snakes already owes 2 other teams 17 points, so I don't need to add a third to that list of owings. I understand and I still respectfully disagree. Only because, as I explained before, I view it like paying salary in a hockey sim league, whereby the original team that made the deal is on the hook for the cap hit, not the team that traded him elsewhere, should that happen. I get that it's semantics and I realize we could debate that til the cows come home. lol Just that it's not fair to GAP either, who did get blindsided by this as well. It just sux all the way around. 😕 |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 15:45:13 GMT -5
I understand and I still respectfully disagree. Only because, as I explained before, I view it like paying salary in a hockey sim league, Exactly. When you trade a player/fighter, the player/fighter's salary goes with him. GSP's bonus was part of his salary, to be paid by his team when that salary came due. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 2, 2019 15:54:32 GMT -5
I understand and I still respectfully disagree. Only because, as I explained before, I view it like paying salary in a hockey sim league, Exactly. When you trade a player/fighter, the player/fighter's salary goes with him. GSP's bonus was part of his salary, to be paid by his team when that salary came due. And that's where we differ on this... And that's fine. I view it as the original team that made the deal is on the hook for it. You view it as it being carried by the fighter. As I said, semantics... lol Both are actually correct, but you have to pick one or the other... You have. Done deal, right? 👍 It was just a shitty deal all around anyways lol and, to my mind (and no disrespect to Snakes), it sux that anyone else but Snakes has to pay for this, since he's the one that made the deal. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 16:06:14 GMT -5
It was just a shitty deal all around anyways lol and, to my mind (and no disrespect to Snakes), it sux that anyone else but Snakes has to pay for this, since he's the one that made the deal. Sure, except no one is paying anything. All of this fuss is still about a BONUS not being paid out - that's it. No points are being deducted from anyone. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 2, 2019 16:36:35 GMT -5
It was just a shitty deal all around anyways lol and, to my mind (and no disrespect to Snakes), it sux that anyone else but Snakes has to pay for this, since he's the one that made the deal. Sure, except no one is paying anything. All of this fuss is still about a BONUS not being paid out - that's it. No points are being deducted from anyone. There's that part of it too, but GAP's still out that said a bonus point due to an error by someone else. You're damned if you and damned if you don't on this. I don't blame you for taking this route, despite not agreeing with it. 👍 |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 16:57:13 GMT -5
We could look at it that way, or we could look at it as "GAP is up GSP AND GAP is up those League-trade bonus points everyone got". I 100% understand GAP's position, but since everything about giving GAP St_Pierre was about making him happy, I cannot help but feel some 10 out of 10 ungrateful vibes here. Especially since we are on about one fucking point less than 24 hours after The League just completed a trade getting GAP (and everyone else) a free point.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 2, 2019 17:10:15 GMT -5
We could look at it that way, or we could look at it as "GAP is up GSP AND GAP is up those League-trade bonus points everyone got". I 100% understand GAP's position, but since everything about giving GAP St_Pierre was about making him happy, I cannot help but feel some 10 out of 10 ungrateful vibes here. Especially since we are on about one fucking point less than 24 hours after The League just completed a trade getting GAP (and everyone else) a free point. From a league standpoint, maybe, but I wouldn't be playing the ungrateful card if I were you, especially when it comes to GAP. If you understand his position... Great. Leave it at that then. No need to make it more than it is, right? 1 point or 10 points, he's still out that point because of someone else and because of something that he wasn't aware of, or made aware of, at the acquisition of GSP. I'd be pissed too. That's not being ungrateful. The League distribution of the points you're speaking of have no correlation to this particular issue really. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 18:19:09 GMT -5
We could look at it that way, or we could look at it as "GAP is up GSP AND GAP is up those League-trade bonus points everyone got". I 100% understand GAP's position, but since everything about giving GAP St_Pierre was about making him happy, I cannot help but feel some 10 out of 10 ungrateful vibes here. Especially since we are on about one fucking point less than 24 hours after The League just completed a trade getting GAP (and everyone else) a free point. From a league standpoint, maybe, but I wouldn't be playing the ungrateful card if I were you, especially when it comes to GAP. If you understand his position... Great. Leave it at that then. No need to make it more than it is, right? 1 point or 10 points, he's still out that point because of someone else and because of something that he wasn't aware of, or made aware of, at the acquisition of GSP. I'd be pissed too. That's not being ungrateful. The League distribution of the points you're speaking of have no correlation to this particular issue really. No one is making anything more than it is other than you now, with this post. If I were in GAP's position, I would say, "That sucks, but at least I have GSP and those 6 points the league just donated to me. You win some, you lose some." Then I would leave it alone. Also, I am aware you would be pissed if you got thrown a bone in a "have this fighter because you like them" trade. I learned from Brock and Tito. Why do you think I still have Kedzie and Smith, lol. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 2, 2019 18:21:04 GMT -5
Any further discussion about this issue can take place privately, between GAP and I. No more league drama necessary. Time to get to work on the next card, instead of worrying about replying to 100 posts here for the next month.  |
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