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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 12:28:36 GMT -5
yeah and with ur lil upgrading for free no women wil;l be put in fighter in dangers list there a reason 4 the cap so ppl can catch up |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 12:29:31 GMT -5
the thing i've noticed is that some people a mass more upgrade points then others.. if someone who has alot of points keeps upgrading their person.. (man or woman)the person who doesn't have as many points will not be able to catch up. that's why there capped so u can catch up so stop neglecting ur woman |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 12:32:27 GMT -5
I get this is different and it should be fun You said it all right there and washed out any point you were trying to make. You're right, this IS different; WAY different. So I really don't give 2 shits and a popcorn fart if Anderson's held the belt for 80 years... This isn't the UFC. It's supposed to be fun, for EVERYONE. Fun is seeing you fighters actually progress... fun is seeing the win the title. That's the whole point isn't it? THEN MAYBE OTHER PPL SHOULD STOP NEGLECTING THIER WOMAN FIGHTER AND LOOKING FOR FREE HAND OUTS I DIDNT GET A HAND OUT 4 ROUSEY SHES BEEN CAPPED 4 TWO SEASON PLENTY OF TIME FOR PPL 2 HAVE CAUGHT UP SO STFU N UPGRADE UR WOMEN PPL. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 17:10:54 GMT -5
You said it all right there and washed out any point you were trying to make. You're right, this IS different; WAY different. I disagree. For me, and for those of us who care about our fighters winning belts, we would rather EARN a belt, then have one handed to us. I enjoy DEVELOPING champions, and I look forward to DEVELOPING my current women into champs. Beating Kaufman or Cyborg is a milestone I look forward to. Not one that I want to be handed. I like earning it. THAT is the fun for me. ANd probably for most others who aren't obsessed with just winning every single fight. This isn't the UFC. It's supposed to be fun, for EVERYONE. How many teams do you see here without a belt in their sig? Everyone here has either won a belt, or fought for a belt. I would say that's pretty fair fun for EVERYONE. Fun is seeing you fighters actually progress... The women are doing this when they are upgraded BIG TIME. That is why I posted the Overall rankings, and that is why I brought in the Official Rankings page. If you upgrade your women at all, they will and do progress. I still think you are judging this a lot on D'Alelio's last fight. Keep in mind, you upgraded her ground game HEAVILY before that fight and she did not get a single takedown. Thus, all THOSE upgrades were moot in that fight. What you're displaying here is the exact same type of mentality that you were fighting against over at EA where all the top teams are at the top, the bottom teams are at the bottom and there's diversity and no compromise. Current Champions: Sandmen, Cannon, Ferocity. Current #1 Contenders: Knockouts, Storm Team of the year last year: Ramrod And go look at the title history. And the N1C history. Everyone is winning with different people at different times. That's pretty fricken diverse to me, bro. If we keep going at the rate we are, no one will be able to catch up unless they do exactly what Cannon did and neglect their whole team and dump 30 points into one fighter, on the off chance that they might have a shot. You keep using Cannon as your example, but ignoring the fact that Cannon did it wrong. Find me how many points Ferocity put into Kaufman. If you upgrade someone CORRECTLY, you don't need 30 points. Cannon wasted almost 10 points (minimum) trying to develop Rousey into an all-around maxed fighter. I warned him it would not work. He did it anyways. So her build is messed up now. Ferocity worked Kaufman's strengths and built a monster. You don;t need 30. But to win a belt, you should have to spend something. I spend a fortune on Hansen to get him where he is. That's how it should be. Titles are earned, not given. We've seen it numerous times over in the men's divisions, but not in the women's for well over 4 seasons now. Exactly my point. People upgrade their men, so they win (Hughes, Hansen, Fisher, Daley). IF YOU NEGLECT YOUR WOMEN, THEY WILL NOT IMPROVE. That is your "simple math for you". |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 17:17:18 GMT -5
ok i will start a new division.. and it will only have one person in the division who is any good and all the meaningless fighters will all be capped. When we started the women's division, everyone was created REALLY close to equal. Then once upgrades came in, some people liked their women (just like now, some people have 0 women - it's a niche market). They are capped if you refuse to upgrade them. we can't get anywhere because the top dogs too easily manhandle the lower ranked... 1 person has tried. He did a weak build, but he has wins over 2 of the 3 top dogs. The top dogs are there because other teams neglected thier male fighters to work on their female fighters. In light of your comments I am against all further attempts at trying to let you see enlightenment when it comes to showing you where the faults and problems of this site are. You were from the beginning, dude. If Phoenix said it, it had to be true, in your mind, so this is nothing new to me. You quit once in a hissy fit of ignorance from doing that very same thing - not trying to understand the actual issue at hand. And I think that "resignation" also shows your dedication to your team and your women as well. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 17:22:04 GMT -5
Bigger picture: These suggestions DO NOT WORK.
So come up with BETTER SUGGESTIONS, rather than bitching about the ones that screw over half the league.
Suggestion 1 - Upgrade freeze? We have that. That's why the top 4 women have barely been upgraded in the last 2 seasons.
Suggestion 2 - Handing out free points is a definite no. Not unless you want to give the people who cannot upgrade their women free points to spend on their men (which makes no sense either - cause then I can load my free points into Hansen/Anderson and THEY become unbeatable, making a problem in THOSE divisions)
For me, you said it all several times when you keep talking about the "musical belt" situation in the men's division. The men win more belts because they are UPGRADED. People invest in them. Far fewer people actually invest in their women.
The site is for fun, but the fun is the challenge. Should I can make 141 different divisions so every fighter on the site can have a belt?
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 5, 2013 18:33:08 GMT -5
everyones in agrrement PHX ida is just as stupid as PHX himself
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 18:44:18 GMT -5
No, the CORE of his idea is okay in theory - that people need to develop their women. This is true - I agree. But you cannot force people to do that. People need to want to do it themselves.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 5, 2013 19:19:57 GMT -5
I think suggesting this idea was fine. I think that looking at a division that he is passionate about and trying to think of a way to balance it out, the suggestions are great to have. Unfortunately, I think the only method of improving the situation is for people to just put more effort into their women. Not much else I see as a solution. I did my part.  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 5, 2013 20:09:38 GMT -5
That's the thing, as I said before, I think Phoenix's suggestions will do what he wants, but not by the route he suggested. He wants a more competitive women's division. We'll do that. I will work on my other women more, Cannon as said he will work on his, Hammerfists is currently jacking the piss out of Coenen, and Knockouts said he would start working on his as well. This is a step in the right direction. Yay Phoenix!
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 6, 2013 1:18:01 GMT -5
i'm done argueing.. i was stating my points which i feel are valid.. i posted my suggestions.. you think my points are not valid and you dont like my suggestions.. arguement over. just dont expect me to try to help anymore... i'll just come on the site make comments about fighters and joke around and upgrade my fighters... but no more helping.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 6, 2013 4:06:09 GMT -5
i'm done argueing.. i was stating my points which i feel are valid.. i posted my suggestions.. you think my points are not valid and you dont like my suggestions.. arguement over. just dont expect me to try to help anymore... i'll just come on the site make comments about fighters and joke around and upgrade my fighters... but no more helping. I was addressing your points. Would you rather I ignore them completely? Your opinion is entirely valid, and your suggestion was listened to, but I don't feel it's in the best interest of the league for the reasons I outlined. Of course if you put 5 points into Carmouche it will do little to combat the 35 points someone else put into their female fighter. But 1) those 35 points they spent on women, others spent on their men, winning titles and getting bonus points 2) they worked just as hard for their 5 points as you did, so if we do anything to make it easier for you to upgrade your fighters than it has been for them, it is incredibly unfair to them. These 2 major points are really what I am trying to get at here. If we do a 2-for-1 point/upgrade system (not a bad idea in theory), that's a slap in the face to someone like Cannon who worked his ass off with posts (and traded a lot of stuff) to acquire points for his favourite fighter. I have neglected my HWs (Anderson was upgraded primarily at MW when he lost stupid fights). But I think it equally unfair if I get a 2 for 1 deal on my HW upgrades when the rest of the league had to work for their HW fighters' upgrade points.
Question for xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club (and xx - Team GAP, if he still cares to participate). In what ways has the current capping rule failed? From my perspective, it has drastically limited the number of upgrades that have happened with the top fighters. I have not upgraded Carano except when I thought it was absolutely necessary for her second Kaufman fight (and even then she got destroyed), for fear of capping her. Cannon cannot upgrade Rousey (the highest rated fighter on the site), and Cyborg hasn't been upgraded in a long while anyways. This cap structure has made it so the top dogs are not able to upgrade much farther anyways, and still people have rarely been upgrading their women (except HammerFists, good stuff Hammerfists ) |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 6, 2013 23:47:22 GMT -5
I've been starting to upgrade my women since getting my new team but most of my guys i can only afford 1 point or so at a time to each of my fighters even though I've been post whoring... im here for a conversation just not here for argueing or blatent disregard for peoples opinions for the record.. i wanna be here for fun... and argueing is not fun.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 7, 2013 0:55:01 GMT -5
This is a discussion. Sometimes people have differing opinions in a discussion. It does not make it an argument.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 7, 2013 0:59:16 GMT -5
but when i feel like my opinion isnt being heard and people dont respect each others opinion whether they agree or not is where i have an issue... just saying... anyways back to your discussion.... lol im thinking about what options we can come up with that might solve the issue..
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Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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