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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2013 22:44:50 GMT -5
The logic of this entire point is mis-applied. 1) You are evaluating people on their OVERALL records, not their CURRENT performances. Many fighters have had a GREAT last 2 seasons, but you are still counting them as mid-tier fighters, while others have been neglected and flaked off, and are still considered mid-tier. 2) If Rousey is mid-tier, then really the only qualifications you have for being a "top tear" are being the top 3. If that's the case, the LW division only has 3 top tier fighters too. Rousey has beaten 2 out of the 3 people you consider "top tier". So that's a bullshit eval right there. 3) A quick skim of my inbox shows at least another 11 points put into Kaufman, and several Cyborg upgrades as well. Also a SHIT-TON of Coenen upgrades it seems too. 4) Every single point spent on those fighters you listed (mid/low/"upper" tier) fighers? They were earned. These were points that other people decided to put towards men. Any sort of point hand-out would negate those 250 posts earned, or those 5 correct predictions, or those 2 and a half seasons of drafting points instead of fighters. I guess I am still asking what you MEAN with this information. It's cool information to have, but it doesn't mean anything. To me, it shows 3 things: 1) If you upgrade your women, they get better 2) Some people REALLY care about their women and others do not 3) If you neglect your women, they continue to suck. Perpetually. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 10, 2013 2:10:15 GMT -5
what I get out of the info posted... is...
1)Sandmen is a jerk
2)Some women have been upgraded and they still suck.
3)People like to throw the term "your neglecting your fighters" too much
4)Some women have not been upgraded at all really so they deserve to suck.
5)Some people have upgraded the crap out of there women fighters and they need to slow down so other people can catch up or else the competition will only be limited.
6)Sandmen is still a jerk
7)If people decide to spread their points out among all their fighters instead of shoving them all into one fighter then they lose cause that tactic sucks.
8)If you follow tactic number 7 then every one will say your neglecting your fighters when you aren't. simply cause you wont have alot of points for any one fighter.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2013 11:38:46 GMT -5
5)Some people have upgraded the crap out of there women fighters and they need to slow down so other people can catch up 1) Does this comment include D'Alelio? 2) They is over the course of 8 seasons. They look insane in one bundle, but it's over an entire year in real-world time. 3) The top 3 have totally slowed down. Ramrod has been working on Jones, Ferocity on Yamanaka, and Sandmen on the rest of his team 4) I agree (but my point #3 is still true). |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 10, 2013 11:54:40 GMT -5
This is a discussion. Sometimes people have differing opinions in a discussion. It does not make it an argument. rousey only has 31 ups u tool |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2013 12:05:57 GMT -5
rousey only has 31 ups u tool Phoenix's number is probably more accurate. He went through the tread and everything. Plus, 31 would not have maxed as many stats as you maxed, bro. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 10, 2013 12:14:09 GMT -5
rousey only has 31 ups u tool Phoenix's number is probably more accurate. He went through the tread and everything. Plus, 31 would not have maxed as many stats as you maxed, bro. I went throught threads too it was only 31 aand not too mention theat her subs were pretty much maxed how she was made |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2013 14:52:39 GMT -5
Phoenix's number is probably more accurate. He went through the tread and everything. Plus, 31 would not have maxed as many stats as you maxed, bro. I went throught threads too it was only 31 aand not too mention theat her subs were pretty much maxed how she was made I was surprised at the number too Cannon; sincerely. I thought it was around the 36 point mark myself, so I double checked cuz I thought I may have double counted some points or something somewhere, but you upgraded her solid for nearly 2 full seasons before she got capped, which was ALLOT of points dude. lol And you maxed out more than just her subs.  No doubt Sandman will correct me if I'm wrong here, I seem to remember him saying this in a convo we were having once, but... the thing you've gotta remember with Rousey is that she was created when she when her real life record was only at around 3-0 or something. The hype around her being the "arm collector" and stuff was only JUST starting to pick up at that point and no one knew if she was legit at that point or not, so I'm thinking that her submission stat wasn't quite a high as you think it was. I think if you saw Sandman's raw build of Rousey now as oppose to then, there'd be a VAST difference. And that's shooting you down at all. When we like any fighter, we like to think that they're the best at what they're good at. It's kinda like me with D'Alelio in the sense I think her Takedowns, Ground Game, GnP, Punches and Control should've been extremely high to begin with purely based on what I've seen her do in the cage. But after 26 points into her so far, I still haven't maxed anything out yet. That's partly to do with her raw build cuz she's not really a "name" fighter and partly to with the fact that I've been spreading the points out on her, so that when she does break through, I see what I want out of her and she'll be more like the well rounded fighter she appears to be IRL; obviously and probably a little better version of her, since we're in a "best of the best" type league, but hopefully she'll be as good as I believe she can be around here. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jul 10, 2013 16:21:45 GMT -5
NAWW I PUT 1 POINT INTO HER SUB,MISSION N SHE WAS MAXED GO READ THE FORUMS
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2013 17:44:23 GMT -5
I still think PHX's number is more accurate, but most importantly, what does it matter? Who cares how many points you have put into her, Cannon? It's totally not something that means anything, so why is it worth arguing about?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 10, 2013 22:16:40 GMT -5
I scrolled past most of this so this point may have already been made but...
there is a divide among top to mid to low...
isn't how that REALLY is the case in REAL LIFE?
There's always a top guy, then there's guys who are hovering around number one contender but have a hard time breaking that threshold for championship status, and then there's the rest of the "could be's" but likely aren'ts...
looking at that list and info and whatnot, that looks pretty fucking accurate and appropriate. Not everything has to be like children's soccer where we don't keep score so no one gets offended for losing. What are we children?
Fuck that, fuck this entire thread, this is MMA. THERE'S NO CRYING IN MMA... or baseball...
Suck it up. Put up or shut up.
Coenen about to maneater this mother fucker up!
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 11, 2013 2:37:47 GMT -5
Fuck you Hammer.. I'm going to go play T-ball and i'll cry while i'm doing it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 11, 2013 22:09:30 GMT -5
I scrolled past most of this so this point may have already been made but... ^^This is why you never understand a damn thing. lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 11, 2013 22:41:42 GMT -5
I scrolled past most of this so this point may have already been made but... ^^This is why you never understand a damn thing. lol Hell=frozen. I don't disagree with PHX here. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 12, 2013 1:33:18 GMT -5
wow... *looks around for the 4 horseman of the apocolypse*
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 12, 2013 19:25:36 GMT -5
I'm one of the Four Horsemen. I think I should make us a mini banner-sig or avatar or something. It sucks that Hulk Hogan is one though, cause it means there will only be 3 horsemen here.
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No doubt Sandman will correct me if I'm wrong here, I seem to remember him saying this in a convo we were having once, but... the thing you've gotta remember with Rousey is that she was created when she when her real life record was only at around 3-0 or something. The hype around her being the "arm collector" and stuff was only JUST starting to pick up at that point and no one knew if she was legit at that point or not, so I'm thinking that her submission stat wasn't quite a high as you think it was. I think if you saw Sandman's raw build of Rousey now as oppose to then, there'd be a VAST difference. 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!