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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:37:05 GMT -5
To Sandmen:
2 points
To Rocketmen:
Gunnar Nelson
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:38:33 GMT -5
I accept
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:41:21 GMT -5
Nice. Pleasure doing business with ya.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:41:59 GMT -5
You as well, fine fellow. I have a feeling I get trashed for saying that. I also have a feeling that I deserve it.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:44:25 GMT -5
Nah, I say it all the time. Haters gonna hate, right?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 1:45:01 GMT -5
It's H8ers.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 2:32:58 GMT -5
Ah. Sorry. H8ers gonna h8, yo.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 4:40:29 GMT -5
Much better.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2013 12:15:02 GMT -5
Not that this will make much difference really, but these last 2 trades you two have made and pushed through, have been junk. And while I'm not going "reject" this trade because we'll go through the "I reject your rejection" BS again, I am going to object to your price point on your fighters Sandmen.
The precedent that you're setting for your shitty fighters being worth 2-3 points is bullshit. If I tried to get 2 points for many of my fighters, which I have, I'd be, and have been, told they're not worth 2 points, yet they've got more wins than Nelson does to this point and all have been upgraded to a degree.
Now, you'll claim Nelson's got "potential" and that's why he's worth 2 points, but the reality is, he's 0-3 or something, is he not? If he had this great potential you claim he does, he'd have atleast one win thus far, and the fact is that he doesn't.
We need to come up with a better evaluation system for the value of these fighters because, the way it's sitting right now, isn't all that great. I had Sandman trying to get a point + Herman for Nelson when the reality is, because of upgrades and such, which Sandman cited as reasoning for fairnesss in the Hall/Shields trade before, effectively evaluating Nelson's value at 3 points, when in reality, because Herman has had upgrades through TC, it should have been Herman for Nelson + a point.
All this looks to me like is that Sandman values all his fighters at 2-3 points regardless of record or anything relevant but others try and get the same value and they're "wrong". What I'm saying is that there should be no double standard here... and as I said, I'm not going to "reject" this trade, but I sure as hell object to trades like these when we really have no standard value to our fighters other than what Sandman's opinion is, which really isn't good for the league.
Cuz from my point of view, Nelson's value of 2 points paid at the draft has depreciated to the sale value of 1 point, by virtue of no wins and no upgrades.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 13:11:02 GMT -5
I so don't care to read any of that. I am paying two points for this fighter and this deal is done.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2013 13:20:23 GMT -5
I so don't care to read any of that. I am paying two points for this fighter and this deal is done. I suggest you do read it dude. This wasn't me bitching, for once. You've wasted your points twice now when you didn't have to because of the ever changing value scale Sandman has on his fighters. This is a league issue, not me ranting man. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 13, 2013 13:58:21 GMT -5
Oh, alright.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 15:17:02 GMT -5
Phoenix...kiddo...your dislike for me is clouding your logic. You are so focused on wanting me to NOT get points, that you are not looking at the fighter acquisition value we have had on ManMMA since points were introduced.
1) How much is it to ACQUIRE a fighter via "Buy a Free Agent"?
- 2 points
2) How much is it to ACQUIRE a fighter via draft without swapping a body?
- 1 point and 1 draft pick (thus, 2 points)
We have had several of the EXACT same trade go through before, and we will have several go through in the future. Anything beyond that is market value, which is dictated by the buyer. You wanted Nelson, but you wanted him for 1 point. I said no, and now someone else is willing to pay 2 for him. As demonstrated above, that is a fair deal. Non issue.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 13, 2013 16:16:04 GMT -5
Phoenix...kiddo...your dislike for me is clouding your logic. You are so focused on wanting me to NOT get points, that you are not looking at the fighter acquisition value we have had on ManMMA since points were introduced. 1) How much is it to ACQUIRE a fighter via "Buy a Free Agent"? - 2 points 2) How much is it to ACQUIRE a fighter via draft without swapping a body? - 1 point and 1 draft pick (thus, 2 points) We have had several of the EXACT same trade go through before, and we will have several go through in the future. Anything beyond that is market value, which is dictated by the buyer. You wanted Nelson, but you wanted him for 1 point. I said no, and now someone else is willing to pay 2 for him. As demonstrated above, that is a fair deal. Non issue. Brother, this has absolutely ZERO to do with any like or dislike for you or whether you're getting points or not; you get your points anyways, regardless. And if you could see past the fact that's what you THINK my logic is here, you'd see that I am making a valid point. Take what you were trying to get from me, for example: Ed Herman + a point for Nelson. Now, is that not evaluating Nelson's value at 3 points since you're saying that all fighters are worth 2 points? How is an established fighter that's been in the league more than a season, has won fights, and has been upgraded, worth less than a new fighter to the league that has no upgrades and no wins? That makes no sense. But now, you're going to cite that "to sell a fighter it's only 1 point" so that's all Herman's worth in that deal, but somehow an 0-3 newbie is 2-3 points and an established fighter is only worth 1?! I don't think so dude. It's gotta work both ways. It can't be just your fighter is worth more just because he's your fighter. And the fact is that Nelson has had no upgrades and he has no wins, just accents the fact that he's only worth one point. Sorry dude... I dunno how else to put it except that you're overvaluing your own fighters and under valuing others' fighters. As I said, I'm not "rejecting" this deal cuz apparently "we don't do that here" :  especially when it's you two doing the dealing... and as you said, the other GM in the deal is fine with it, but I am objecting to it because the system is flawed as it is and needs to be reviewed. There needs to be some sort of balance there that's not there currently. Also, your 2nd point there isn't fact; it costs 2 points plus the draft pick if you don't swap a body. If somehow that's changed, I should probably get 2 points back from the draft this season (1 point per pick) cuz as far as I knew, it was still 2 points to draft a fighter without swapping. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 13, 2013 16:31:11 GMT -5
You're right. A draft pick is worth 2 points and a pick. So 3 points. So a body is worth between 2 and 3 points. Here, Rocketmen is paying 2 points. Good deal.
And why are we talking about Herman? That was old trade talks with you. That deal did not come to pass, so it could not be more irrelevant. This deal did, and this deal is fair.
Moral: The trade is fair. Anything else matter? No. It's a good deal.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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