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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 26, 2013 5:14:18 GMT -5
There have been many many apologies since Kruze is incapable of relaxing. Hell, in the call, it even ends with me saying "are we still friends?" and Kruze says "yeah, we're still friends." Next day, completely different story.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 26, 2013 5:15:48 GMT -5
And this wasn't posted to check and see "how sincere of an apology Mike gives" it was posted to see if the idea I proposed was clear.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Sept 26, 2013 6:06:10 GMT -5
The idea was clear but the apology wasn't.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 14:50:19 GMT -5
1) There was no apology. 2) Yes you called yourself a piece of shit 3) I don't think anything was lost in translation... I just think Kruze doesn't want anything to do with your entertainment idea since he is offended and hurt. 4) No sincere apology was made(at least in the bit you posted) so I see no reason why Kruze should turn it into some fun.. cause it's been taken personally and someone's feelings have been legitamately hurt. Anyway you slice it hurting people's feelings is not fun. Not Cool. That being said. I suggest the following: 1) Mike Apologize. 2) Kruze stop threatning to sue or press charges. 3) Mike out of respect that you say you have for kruze, abide by his wishes and do not call, lose his number, and delete whatever recordings you have. 4) Both of you grow up and be men. Be respectful of each other(as you say you respect each other but i'll be damned if you ever show it) 5) Both of you lighten up. This is a game site. Play the game and stop bickering at each other. It only brings the site down. 6) Keep real life arguements off the site. 7) This is the Last I want to hear about this topic. IT'S OVER!!! Now Everyone go back to hating me and my Team GAP Nearly everything you said here is 100% accurate; everything except #2 & last part of #4 of your suggestions are more than apt. The reason #2 is a bit off for me, is because I only intimated that I'd do that once. And to be perfectly honest, with no apology offered and no sign of anything changing, it was really my only recourse to drive home that I really wasn't going to put up with any of it anymore. Plus, with him right away offering to post this whole thing for all to see, it just shows me that nothing has changed... so, while I won't mention it again, I won't be retracting that either because (and this leads to #4) it's extremely difficult to have ANY respect for someone that has blatantly, and completely disregarded, not only my wishes, but his own alleged respect for me and our friendship. Cuz I 100% agree with #6... I was fully content to leave this issue off the site because this is not site business. Further to that, I was attempting to put my own best foot forward on this, and have it go back to atleast somewhat as it was before any of this went down, by continuing to banter on the threads and leave this issue to the side, for the most part, because it had nothing to do with the site. Hence the reason for offering the pointer on this video in the first place, because I really do think it was really good. For me, it was just the one little thing with the video that lost me a few times when he broke voice and we heard Mike's voice and not Terrance's that had me a bit disengaged for a second a couple of times, even though he brought it right back. So I thought I'd offer that note on it so that if he wants to continue using that character, it'll make the character even more rock solid than it already is. But because of this other shit, he took it as me being a jerk and not trying to be helpful... which is unfortunate, but due to the circumstances, I'm not surprised either. In any event, and in closing (hopefully ending this, atleast in this thread.): is Mike my favorite person on the planet right now? Hell no. Do I think he has any respect for me? Not even a shred. Do I have any respect for him anymore? A VERY thin thread remains, but I don't hate him either; I don't hate anyone. It's just that a number of rather large lines were crossed that should never have been in the first place and the recording without my knowledge was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I really don't think that I'm in the wrong for feeling the way I do about this issue, just because of the number of times that it's happened in the last 6 months to a year and the chances that I have given Mike to right the ship and he's basically disregarded it all and chosen not to and continue to betray my trust that I extended him. It's really that simple. Things may change again, in time... who knows? But as of right now, "The balcony is closed." |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 15:17:45 GMT -5
There have been many many apologies since Kruze is incapable of relaxing. Hell, in the call, it even ends with me saying "are we still friends?" and Kruze says "yeah, we're still friends." Next day, completely different story. There have been no apologies Mike because you continue to think that everything you've done is harmless or a harmless prank. Well, prank or not, you've betrayed my trust I dunno how many times now, and in doing so, you've betrayed the friendship you claim to hold in such "high regard". It has nothing to do with me being incapable of relaxing dude. Are we still friends? Yah, but barely... only because I keep hoping the old Mike will show back up, but that hope is fading fast too, especially after airing our dirty laundry again on the site. Some things just shouldn't be made public, but you have no switch mechanism for that. You get pissed off and suddenly I'm seeing our private conversations being posted somewhere on this site or you're recording private conversations then play it for other people cuz you think it's funny. It's not funny. Trust is a big deal to me man... and right now, despite still being friends, a friendship that's currently on thin ice, my trust level for you is at a big, fat zero! And I'm sorry dude, but that's the honest truth about this whole thing. You want that trust back; you've gotta earn it back... cuz this has happened way to many times that I've forgiven and forgotten yet it still keeps happening. Not this time bro. You still wanna be friends, start acting like one. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 26, 2013 16:01:29 GMT -5
Dude, I've literally apologized so many fucking times that people have told me to stop apologizing so much.
I made a joke, you went fucking ape-shit over it and you're still holding the gun to everyone's head.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 16:43:59 GMT -5
Dude, I've literally apologized so many fucking times that people have told me to stop apologizing so much. I made a joke, you went fucking ape-shit over it and you're still holding the gun to everyone's head. Look man, I don't care how many folks have told you "to stop apologizing so much"... with me, you've either offered empty apologies or none at all. And I say empty apologies because you've continued on with the same pattern and activities that you've previously apologized for. The reality is that your apologies mean shit if you don't act upon them and change the behavior you've apologized for. It's pretty simple equation. But never once have you apologized for the recording because, as you say, "I made a joke" so therefore you feel you don't need to apologize cuz "it was just a joke". Well, I'm not laughing Mike; nor am I holding a gun to anyone's head here. Did I go a little ape-shit? Yah, you're god damn right I did! Enough became enough Mike. Cuz after nearly a year of this shit, I'm tired of your lies. I'm tired of your deceit and I'm tired of your empty apologies that mean absolutely fucking nothing to you because you keep doing the exact same damn thing, over and over, and nothing ever changes. Make the changes Mike... don't just say you're going to then go back on it a week or a month later. That's what this is all about man... If you can't do that, then I question how much of a friend you really thought I was in the first place. Sincerely. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 26, 2013 19:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Sept 26, 2013 20:07:08 GMT -5
both of you please refer to #7
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 20:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 26, 2013 20:24:02 GMT -5
What is not included here is the reaction to the prank in question, where Mike did apologize (literally about 15 times), Kruze said it was okay, but Mike had affected their friendship, then Mike asked if they were still friends, and Kruze says, "Yes, Mike, we're still friends."
I agree with GAP's suggestions #2, 4, 5, 6, 7.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 26, 2013 20:50:08 GMT -5
Holy fuck, I did that thing where I missed there was a 3rd page. I withdraw my participation in this thread. It has turned into a giant epic debacle. I agree with GAP. See #7, "BOTH OF YOU", and let's ManMMA it up.
(ManMMA it up is not having fits at each other. You guys can have those in trash talk all you want, but I'd like to keep it clear of real boards from now on, is that cool everyone?)
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 21:00:24 GMT -5
Holy fuck, I did that thing where I missed there was a 3rd page. I withdraw my participation in this thread. It has turned into a giant epic debacle. I agree with GAP. See #7, "BOTH OF YOU", and let's ManMMA it up. (ManMMA it up is not having fits at each other. You guys can have those in trash talk all you want, but I'd like to keep it clear of real boards from now on, is that cool everyone?) I was content to leave it alone 'til buddy boy decided to make EVERYTHING public domain. Whether I'm staff or not, the gloves were off at that point and I'm not about to apologize for speaking the truth. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 26, 2013 21:05:07 GMT -5
So should I post the audio clip of him apologizing and you accepting the apology? Will that end this shit?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 26, 2013 21:45:55 GMT -5
So should I post the audio clip of him apologizing and you accepting the apology? Will that end this shit? Dude, I was drunk at the time and would've accepted nearly anything at that point because I prefer to be a happy drunk not an angry one. You said yourself "Kruze said it was okay, but Mike had affected their friendship..." That's factual. He had affected our friendship and the fact that you were even the first one to approach me about doing some sort of comedy based on it, already knowing how I felt about it, just tells me you were in on it. So the fact is that you're lucky it's hasn't been extended to you all that much really, even though now it really should since you've decided to threaten to post the audio clip that you told me you'd deleted. |
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