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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 12, 2014 19:47:15 GMT -5
But I also like the idea of being able to re-spec at the cost of 2 points that you don't have to pay, you just forfeit from a given fighter. Oh, see I always meant that to be like, you have to HAVE the 2 points to do the respec. Not sure if it would matter, but it would probably be cleaner to keep track of on the PA thread - like buying a service. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 13, 2014 1:15:19 GMT -5
I didn't even know this thread existed... I'll go over it in a bit. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 13, 2014 2:26:01 GMT -5
I didn't even know this thread existed... I'll go over it in a bit. pay attention... Jerkwad |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 13, 2014 2:39:01 GMT -5
Ok. My take on it is this.
1) I wouldn't waste any amount points on a "Sandman Recommendation" nor would I agree to any sliding scale for it where I'd have to pay more than someone else for the same information.
2) 2 points to redistribute points is interesting, I guess. I've personally kept track of all my upgrades, though, except for 3 mystery points that I went into Gusty and possibly some that Ferocity gave to Franklin that I've missed. So the "pulling a drop out of water" analogy doesn't really apply to the rest of my fighters since I know what I've put into all my fighters and have an idea of what their needs are; for me it's more a matter of having the points to execute those upgrades.
In Sarah's case, since she's capped, I'm actually happy with where she's at right now for the most part. If anything, I'd want to tweak by adding to certain attributes I've already built on or where I feel she's slightly lacking in some of her defenses. Otherwise, she's fighting exactly how I've designed her to; she also doesn't have a single attribute that's maxed either; just a point of note for you all. Thing is, without being able to see the attributes ourselves, it kind of defeats the purpose of this whole exercise not knowing where the numbers say they're already strong and Sandman's the only one that gets to see them.
3) The dropping of a point(s) I don't like, myself. I'd never likely do it cuz these points are like gold right now and, to me, it'd diminish the value of the points considerably. So I'd definitely say no to that, but if others want that, they could do that.
That being said, it's six of one and a half dozen of the other here really. Honestly for me, my biggest problems are that:
1) I still think the caps are too low, especially for the women. This is something that Sandman and I disagreed about before when we were discussing bringing them in anyways, so that's nothing new.
2) It find it ridiculous when Cannon and I have had to spend upscale of 40+ points on our fighters, especially Cannon on Rousey, to make them into contenders, yet Dozers has only spent 26 on Murphy and we're already talking about her getting capped soon. There's something seriously wrong when even at 26 points neither Rousey nor D'Alelio were even close to fighting at the level Murphy's fighting now, let alone how Murphy was already fighting on her raw build.
In any event, I think the redistribution idea is fine if folks want that. I'm just not sure if I'd ever use it myself. Not necessarily on Sarah anyways, which is basically what this is supposed to be designed for; capped fighters. I'd probably end up doing it on my other fighters that aren't capped, to be honest.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 13, 2014 3:01:18 GMT -5
Isn;t the cap based on the simulators percentage system? If so, then the amount of points don't matter and Kruze would have known that had he done enough ML simming to learn that information.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 13, 2014 3:21:08 GMT -5
Isn;t the cap based on the simulators percentage system? If so, then the amount of points don't matter and Kruze would have known that had he done enough ML simming to learn that information. The overall is a percentage system, yes, but that's not what the cap is based from. The cap is a hard cap now so the amount of points very much matters. I don't know where you'd get that they wouldn't. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 13, 2014 3:22:07 GMT -5
Because the cap is based on the fighter's percentage and not assigned points. Where do you get your info?
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 13, 2014 3:31:51 GMT -5
Sandmen explain....
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 13, 2014 3:33:52 GMT -5
The cap isn't based on the fighters percentage. The cap is the percentage (overall) that Sandman decided on as the caps for each weight class. The points correlate to the percentage because the percentage goes up when you add points, thus assigned points. You'd know this if you'd actually paid attention or even gave a shit enough about the ML to sim more than once every 2 months.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 13, 2014 4:02:05 GMT -5
Perhaps a scouting report coud be done on a specific fighter that is in swap list or draft list only. A scouting report could give you a 5 scale on each stat(or only a couple stats) as to if it's poor, fair, moderate, good, great. The only problem I can see with allowing sandmen to give out a scouting report is that he gets to see what stats people have.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 13, 2014 4:04:33 GMT -5
You would know that different points allot a different amount of percentage to a fighter's overall if you spent more than six cards allotting points and watching the overalls differ.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 13, 2014 4:20:46 GMT -5
PHX and ROcketmen are both talking about the same thing using different words and not understanding that each is saying the same thing as the other but in different words. It's funny. They are literally both right, and I think since both have simmed, if they both thought about it for 5 seconds they would OBVIOUSLY both know that they and the other know how the simulator works, in that regard.  Anyways, none of any of that part matters. Now, several parts of PHX's reply was off-topic, but I have to address 1 major thing he mentioned...Lauren Murphy...she is NO WHERE near cap. I am not sure where that came from, to be honest. She, like D'Alelio and Rousey, will need 40+ upgrades to cap. That will be the same for pretty much every fighter in the women's division. I did mention somewhere that Bulldozers could concievably cap Murphy soon at the rate he is going because he was here for a month and put 20 points into her. At a point per day upgrade pace, Murphy will be maxed out by like, March 15. Nothing to do with her build, 100% to do with how active Bulldozers is. Also, you say Sarah is not maxed in any attribute - that is not necessarily correct. You have just not tried to upgrade any attribute after it was maxed. That is typically when I tell people stats are maxed (again, in an attempt to make sure people like Cannon don't tinker with the simulator to try to figure out exactly how people are built to get a shady inside edge) ANYWAYS. So PHX would not use the re-spec regardless, so both re-spec options still have equal support? If so, I think I like GAP's suggestion, because it gives people more tinker room and I am all about tinkering most of the time. You can feel small changes here and there. You also get the benefit of the upgrade point you USED TO have in that spot for the time before you deleted it, so you didn;t waste it. If no one has a strong opinion, I would like to go with that, for those that would use it. And we can scrap the Scouting Report idea, then? I don't care about that one (if people want it, great, if they don't, also great), but I am never going to give people a ton of their fighter attributes because of the Cannon Situation I keep describing. I have no problems writing people detailed reports based on observable strengths and weraknesses though. But yeah, i think the capped fighter issue is a better one to deal with, if we are just doing one. Also, reminder to self to introduce that new "Cannon Rule" this season. (It's about not allowing a team to collect a point of you win the belt off of yourself - since Cannon has every MW imaginable) |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 13, 2014 4:23:53 GMT -5
cool
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 13, 2014 4:53:56 GMT -5
If one of the respecs gets put in, I'd lean more towards supporting the 2 points to redistribute 19. GAP's idea is fine, if you want to do that, I know I wouldn't, but some might. Of the options, those two are the best and could actually both be put in.
As for you saying when fighters are maxed in something, you usually say "punching is now maxed with that upgrade". You have been with everyone else anyways, so if you haven't for me, that's kinda lame cuz the only one you've ever told me was maxed was on Sylvia.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 13, 2014 5:37:02 GMT -5
As for you saying when fighters are maxed in something, you usually say "punching is now maxed with that upgrade". You have been with everyone else anyways, so if you haven't for me, that's kinda lame cuz the only one you've ever told me was maxed was on Sylvia. I go about 50-50. If someone is obviously power-upgrading a single stat, point-by-point, i will tell them (like I think when Cannon was doing every damned Rousey stat in alphabetical order haha). Or if it's someone like Byron, I always try to tell him because it will be a week or more before he notices a wasted upgrade and his fighter could have 3 important fights in that time. Generally, I try to avoid it though - keep everything as unpredictable as possible and fun and exciting for everyone without Cannonites cheating the system. |
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