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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 19, 2014 6:49:24 GMT -5
speaking of wrestling I watched raw tonight two title holders lost yet kept the belt that's strange back in the day when a champion lost they lost the belt as well Not always... Champions have always retained the belt on a DQ, though I believe there was a time the champion could lose on a count out.... not anymore though, obviously lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 7:02:27 GMT -5
I'm not saying yes or no to anything, but I do find it funny that no one has come to the conclusion that different people across the world can just happen to have similar ideas. Somehow, that is out of the question. Ya like I think you're a fucker and somebody else in the world thinks that to |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 19, 2014 7:09:27 GMT -5
I see.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 19, 2014 7:23:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying yes or no to anything, but I do find it funny that no one has come to the conclusion that different people across the world can just happen to have similar ideas. Somehow, that is out of the question. No that's not out of the question at all... It is very possible. Kinda like how sometimes 2 different musicians can come up with the same guitar lick or something. It does happen. The difference here is that we actually did have a guy on the inside, as it were, and we were blatantly told that's exactly what was happening. Just thought my experience was neat and pertained to what we were talking about, so I shared it. Honestly, it doesn't matter if folks believe it or not... it was kinda weird and hard to believe at the time for us too... but what I do have a problem with is being mocked, ridiculed and called a liar over it. I mean, if I was pulling your leg about it, I would've owned up and said I was goofing around already instead of taking offence to it. I just don't think it's right that if folks share something kool that happened to them on this site, no matter how far fetched it seems to others, that, that person should get mocked, ridiculed and called a liar for it. If you don't believe it, kool... but I'm 100% certain that we've all experienced things in our lives that were out of the ordinary and seemed like it was a dream, but they happened. There's no need to call someone out and do what Sandman did trying to break down a situation that a) he wasn't involved in, b) he knew nothing about and c) he didn't believe, so he felt the need to try to disprove it cuz he needs to be right about everything and has no problems trying to rip other people down to meet that end, even when he is wrong. It's pretty sad really. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Aug 19, 2014 7:54:11 GMT -5
Look Kruze. We shared what happened, and Sandmen said basicaly that he doesn't belive us.. and that is just fine. if others believe us great.. if not fine.. but now to avoid us doing the same thing sandmen did we need to stop talking about this.
to address rocketmen though: look i know different people have different ideas and occassionally other people have similiar ideas.. but even if you take away the fact we had someone on the inside telling us he was doing it. even if that point goes away... it wasn't just 1 idea.. it was multiple ideas... what is the coinincidence that you would have to have..it's like someone winning the lotto 7 times in a row. 1 time sure... 2 times wow crazy lucky... but 7... impossible. That is how we felt.. there had to be reasons on how it was happening.. then we realized what was happening.
Anyways Believe us or don't your choice.. i'm done talking about it though.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 19, 2014 7:57:41 GMT -5
I think that if it is a true story, then it's really god damn cool. I won't squash people's stories, because regardless of their validity, it's just a fun story to have. I think it is a bit far fetched, but I also think it's neat and would like to believe that it is true.  No harm, no foul. When a story is shared where someone lies about people they've been with, which affects the reputation of that other person, then I have to call it out. But some concepts on a chat forum about wrestling? It would be the same as people predicting trades that eventually happened. The idea to believe they saw it and said "yeah, that works" or just being on the same page as the organization is wicked. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Aug 19, 2014 8:00:56 GMT -5
all we could do is share our experience. I agree it sounds far fetched but we(Kruze and myself) also know it to be true. Thanks rocketmen for having an open mind about it.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 19, 2014 8:07:04 GMT -5
NP. I have plenty of incredibly far-fetched stories, but I hold them dearly.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 19, 2014 9:23:13 GMT -5
Can they be sued? no. why? Because they are changing our ideas and there is no patent on our ideas or any legal way for us to say it was solely our intellectual property. Yes, in fact, they can. They are using your ideas for financial gain. People sue over ideas ALL THE TIME. (Google "sues idea" and every DAY you will have a new article on someone suing someone for stealing an idea (Today I got Ted, Orphan Black, Medea, Trouble with the Curve, and even concepts for reality shows). People can, and do, sue over ideas. And if there is a trend, you have an even stronger case. And if you KNOW THE GUY DOING IT, you have a concrete case and you should both be millionaires right now. But no, that's okay. You and Kruze invented WWE, I invented sliced bread and the word "sophisticated". Mike and Cannon can vouch for me on those 2 things, so they are fact too. We can all move on now, and agree to disagree about who invented what, since arguing over it will accomplish nothing further here. Look Kruze. We shared what happened, and Sandmen said basicaly that he doesn't belive us.. No, I didn't "basically" say I don't believe you, I literally said I don't believe you. Just as you don't believe I created All in the Family and painted the Mona Lisa. And those things are fine. We don;t have to believe each other to get along here and move on. So that we will  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 19, 2014 9:30:59 GMT -5
speaking of wrestling I watched raw tonight two title holders lost yet kept the belt that's strange back in the day when a champion lost they lost the belt as well Not always... Champions have always retained the belt on a DQ, though I believe there was a time the champion could lose on a count out.... not anymore though, obviously lol Yes, this or sometimes (at least back in the day) they had non-title matches for no real reason, which OBVIOUSLY meant the champ would lose and more times than not, it was a scam finish whereby the title would have theoretically changed hands. I find them lame. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 19, 2014 10:28:38 GMT -5
Can they be sued? no. why? Because they are changing our ideas and there is no patent on our ideas or any legal way for us to say it was solely our intellectual property. Yes, in fact, they can. They are using your ideas for financial gain. People sue over ideas ALL THE TIME. (Google "sues idea" and every DAY you will have a new article on someone suing someone for stealing an idea (Today I got Ted, Orphan Black, Medea, Trouble with the Curve, and even concepts for reality shows). People can, and do, sue over ideas. And if there is a trend, you have an even stronger case. And if you KNOW THE GUY DOING IT, you have a concrete case and you should both be millionaires right now. But no, that's okay. You and Kruze invented WWE, I invented sliced bread and the word "sophisticated". Mike and Cannon can vouch for me on those 2 things, so they are fact too. We can all move on now, and agree to disagree about who invented what, since arguing over it will accomplish nothing further here. Look Kruze. We shared what happened, and Sandmen said basicaly that he doesn't belive us.. No, I didn't "basically" say I don't believe you, I literally said I don't believe you. Just as you don't believe I created All in the Family and painted the Mona Lisa. And those things are fine. We don;t have to believe each other to get along here and move on. So that we will Do you feel like a big boy now?  I mean we could move on if you'd just keep your big mouth shut, but you're not able to... Neither of us said we created the WWE; not at all and not once. Mike gets it, what the hell is your problem? Cuz I honestly dunno why you're so worked up by this anyways. How does it affect you in the slightest that we knew someone in WWE creative? How does it affect you that we were privy to some information that you obviously weren't in this instance? The fact is that it doesn't... you just seem to think that you're the only one that knows anything about everything in the entire world and take offense to it when someone knows something you don't. Then how you deal with it, is to mock them cuz no one on the planet can know more or could possibly have different information than you have, cuz you think you know everything.  lol We couldn't sue them because they'd altered the concepts enough that it would be deemed similar but not the same. If it was a blatant rip off, then yah... maybe we would've had some legal ground to stand on and might have done so, but they're not that stupid either. As it sat, we couldn't... It's like our graphix work, for example. By your philosophy above, UFC, Gina Carano, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, GSP, etc., could sue you for using their images on our header banner. If they could, why haven't they done that already? It's not like we don't see the UFC logo up there on Brock's gloves. Now granted, maybe they haven't seen it, but even if they did, they really couldn't do anything about it because the images have been altered and changed enough, whether it's by color enhancement, color changes or image cutting and positioning, which now makes that banner your conceptual property and design. It's really no different than what the WWE did with ideas the used from our e-feds. But again, if you don't believe it, good for you... That's kool. I'm fine with that, but I'm still not going to sit here and be mocked by some little know-it-all pissant like you that thinks he's God's gift to everything and say nothing about it either. Not believing is one thing, Justin... but being a total douche bag about it, is completely another. This isn't recess on the playground bud. You preach about acting like a grown up all the time, maybe it's time you started practicing it yourself too. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 19, 2014 10:50:09 GMT -5
We couldn't sue them because they'd altered the concepts enough that it would be deemed similar but not the same. That's why I think it's just coincidental, but the idea of it is a nice one. It's like our graphix work, for example. By your philosophy above, UFC, Gina Carano, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, GSP, etc., could sue you for using their images on our header banner. If they could, why haven't they done that already? This site will barely ever register as visitable, so they have no idea it exists, much like any forum site for the most part. We also don't stream anything so there's nothing to chase us down for. We also don't profit off of their logo. The different that Justin was suggesting, as I understood it, is that you are under the belief that you and GAP had come up with certain ideas that were marketable and thus made money. It's not the same as the UFC suing this site as you having the rights to sue WWE for using marketable and profitable content that you would have come up with. It's really no different than what the WWE did with ideas the used from our e-feds. Without proof of them taking the idea, there is no proof. It's nice to suggest that there's some dude that knows a dude that may have at one point seen the site, but to suggest he studied it to use its ideas, to me, is ridiculous, but the idea that something you thought of just happened to be similar (as admitted in this post, that it wasn't exact but it was close) is the same as me saying "the Leafs will acquire Matt Duchene" and just happening to get him. That's a nice thought that I had the same idea the management did. But I wouldn't believe that management read my comment and then went and did it. BUT if I said "the Leafs should acquire Duchene, bring back the Milk products endorsements and then make him do a stunt at the top of the CN Tower" and the Leafs do all of those things and make money off of, and I had proof they visited the site and saw what I wrote here, I could sue them for the idea as it is, technically, intellectual property. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 19, 2014 10:57:31 GMT -5
It's like our graphix work, for example. By your philosophy above, UFC, Gina Carano, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, GSP, etc., could sue you for using their images on our header banner. If they could, why haven't they done that already? [Mike's reply goes here, but is not really necessary for my point below, so I removed it] If the site was monetized, they could sue me, but it would start with a basic cease and desist, which I would have no real choice but to obey. Carano's image belongs to Maxim, not the UFC, so they too could "cease and desist" me, as could Invicta over several other images I have on here. But as Mike said, they don't because we are a site of 20 people, and are not on their radar. Not unlike the WWE and a particular efed. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 19, 2014 11:01:34 GMT -5
Yeah, again, I doubt it happened, but it's a nice story, and at the very least it can be said that Kruze and Gap may have predicted some of the plot for WWE stories, of which there are many, many of them. No one could predict giving birth to a hand though. Nobody.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 19, 2014 11:01:57 GMT -5
At this point, there is really no need for anyone to continue this argument. You have your ideas about reality, I have mine, and neither of us are changing based on what the other says.
Time to move along now. Everyone.
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I mean we could move on if you'd just keep your big mouth shut, but you're not able to... Neither of us said we created the WWE; not at all and not once. Mike gets it, what the hell is your problem? Cuz I honestly dunno why you're so worked up by this anyways. How does it affect you in the slightest that we knew someone in WWE creative? How does it affect you that we were privy to some information that you obviously weren't in this instance? The fact is that it doesn't... you just seem to think that you're the only one that knows anything about everything in the entire world and take offense to it when someone knows something you don't. Then how you deal with it, is to mock them cuz no one on the planet can know more or could possibly have different information than you have, cuz you think you know everything. 
lol 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
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