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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Jan 9, 2016 3:35:46 GMT -5
Felice Herrig Seoul South Korea?
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 10, 2016 1:06:06 GMT -5
I think after you randomly decide what skill they get if they cannot receive that stat they should get the next possible stat. That way someone gets something instead of nothing. Just a suggestion
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 10, 2016 3:56:08 GMT -5
I think that takes the strategy out of the game. There are 19 different options for where you can send your fighter. If you want to gamble on a specific stat, you can. If you want to play it safe and go for a stat you know is not maxed, you can.
My primary issue, though, is it is easy to abuse that way. For instance, I typically max out conditioning and toughness before doing anything else with my fighters. So if we did it the way you are suggesting, I could do that, and then just keep sending my fighter to London, ON, knowing that eventually it will max out their GnP without any risk, gamble, or dice-roll involved. It opens the door for the system to be abused. The free point for this comes at a price, and the price is, if I want GnP maxed, I should either have to spend my points on it, or I should have to risk getting nothing by doing training camp. It is not training camp's job or function to serve as an instrument to upgrade 1 specific stat for you while you upgrade someone or something else with your regular points.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 10, 2016 17:31:48 GMT -5
This is why my idea for training camp was that you can choose to not fight (losing fights is the drawback). training camp should never be a gamble.
Look at real fighters they go to a camp to learn a skill. Fighters do not walk away from a camp having learned nothing.
Training camps should simply not happen in manmma anymore. Before when it was a struggle to get points for your fighters, it was a need for the league but now that we have a better way to earn points, it is not as important.
Gambling I feel is just not how this system should work. It does not make sense.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 10, 2016 18:16:18 GMT -5
Look at real fighters they go to a camp to learn a skill. Fighters do not walk away from a camp having learned nothing. Sure they do. What do you think Jim's Blue Belt Ju-Jitzu Gym in Small River, Saskatchewan is going to teach Royce Gracie if he goes there? Also, fighters peak. And they do not know when. They do not know if there is simply nothing left to be learned from a camp until they train there and do not feel they have gained enough new knwledge going forward. This is why fighters switch camps all the time. But you conveniently ignored the primary problem I have with this, which is it allows people to snipe specific skills they want to upgrade. Your suggestion opens the door to cheap upgrading (if not outright cheating). Without the gamble component, there is no way to curb the cheat aspect. |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Jan 11, 2016 10:46:24 GMT -5
Vanessa Porto
ManMMA 303
Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2016 14:50:55 GMT -5
Felice Herrig Seoul South Korea? Result, punches Punching already maxed. No point awarded. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2016 14:52:19 GMT -5
Vanessa Porto ManMMA 303 Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Result: Control Processed |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jan 12, 2016 0:23:58 GMT -5
Look at real fighters they go to a camp to learn a skill. Fighters do not walk away from a camp having learned nothing. Sure they do. What do you think Jim's Blue Belt Ju-Jitzu Gym in Small River, Saskatchewan is going to teach Royce Gracie if he goes there? Also, fighters peak. And they do not know when. They do not know if there is simply nothing left to be learned from a camp until they train there and do not feel they have gained enough new knwledge going forward. This is why fighters switch camps all the time. But you conveniently ignored the primary problem I have with this, which is it allows people to snipe specific skills they want to upgrade. Your suggestion opens the door to cheap upgrading (if not outright cheating). Without the gamble component, there is no way to curb the cheat aspect. I didn't avoid or ignore anything. I said the drawback is people lose fights to go to camp. Thus if they want to "snipe" it's ok as long as they don't fight for awhile allowing others to upgrade also. Camps was meant as another way to upgrade your fighters. You can "snipe" just as much with point buys as you can with camps. Your missing my main point which is we don't need it at all anymore. Right now it is giving people an unfair advantage since we changed how we get points. Please stop it... this coming from the guy who originally had the idea for it. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 12, 2016 6:41:14 GMT -5
How is it giving people an unfair advantage?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 21, 2016 13:40:04 GMT -5
How is it giving people an unfair advantage? It's not giving anyone an unfair advantage either way you do it, but I do agree with GAP that it shouldn't be a "gamble" sending your fighters to training camp either. Fighters should get SOMETHING out of their camps, especially since you're making it a "random" stat increase and not a chosen one as well as, under this current system, they're already missing a scheduled fight whether they get the stat increase or not, which in my mind is already a drawback in and of itself and completely unfair if they don't get a stat increase at all. I've always thought it was unfair. The other way you could do it is if they do not receive a stat increase due to their camp then they do not miss their next scheduled fight, but cannot be sent out immediately to another camp and have to wait the 4-8 events before they can be sent out to a camp again or whatever the current waiting period is until their next fight would be. They'd basically have to fight 2 fights before they could be sent out again to another enhancement camp is what it would come down to. That would atleast be fair as oppose to the current system because, if they don't receive a stat increase, they've essentially had a normal pre-fight training camp, and not an enhanced one, therefore should not be penalized a scheduled fight for not receiving an enhancement.
Phoenix FCJulie Kedzie being sent home to Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Last Simmed Event: ManMMA 304 |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 21, 2016 15:11:31 GMT -5
The best I can do is fighter does not get a point, fighter does not miss a fight, but you cannot send someone else to camp until your send would have returned (so if you send with last event 304, and the skill is already maxed, your fighter would miss no fights, but you could still not send someone to camp again until 308.
Fair?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 21, 2016 15:18:33 GMT -5
The best I can do is fighter does not get a point, fighter does not miss a fight, but you cannot send someone else to camp until your send would have returned (so if you send with last event 304, and the skill is already maxed, your fighter would miss no fights, but you could still not send someone to camp again until 308. Fair? Yah, that's totally fair and pretty much exactly what I meant. It's just the "gamble" part of it that makes no sense if they don't get an enhancement camp. They shouldn't be penalized they're next fight for trying to better themselves if it doesn't pan out for whatever reason. What you're proposing there is perfectly reasonable.  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 21, 2016 15:54:31 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 21, 2016 16:25:47 GMT -5
Sounds good. That was uncharacteristically quick and painless. We're getting better, Kruzey!    It's cuz you actually listened for a change.  lol |
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lol 
Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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