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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 16, 2015 18:36:46 GMT -5
You still keep saying we need help for the bottom 2 teams. But the bottom 2 teams this year had a bad year. The bottom 2 teams this year were the top 2 teams last year. That is diversity already. If we had an Edmonton Oilers situation here, I would be all over this with ways to try to help the team. But we don't have that. And even when we do, on TOP of the draft, we have teams willing to charity GOOD fighters to help out. Bullies offered to help out teams without A-fighters as soon as the letter grades were posted, and I have been shopping 2 top fighters for 2 weeks now (no one is interested). You can choose to want to get better (i.e. accept charity, or PM me offers for the elite fighters I am trading), or you can work on what you have and develop your own teams. I'm not trying to single you out here, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, but it's hard for me to agree the bottom team needs additional help when he has 2 #1 contenders on his team who will likely be favourites moving into their title fights this season. When you look across the league, the GP teams do not look like the best teams. For example, if xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club fought @byronthammer in the GP, PHX probably would have swept that series. Even with D'Alelio hurt. That is not a team that needs additional help. Byron might be, but even then, he's been working on his crew and brought his projects up well. Bas is damn good now. Again, for me it's about not seeing a pattern that we need to break. ------------------- And once again, you haven;t said anything about the FiD freeze suggestion. That would give legitimately strugging teams (whcih I still do not believe we have) a chance to not have to worry about their low-end fighters for a season and get the rest of their team back on track. I would think xx - Team GAP could relate to how helpful this could be, since he has been working on projects while balancing title contenders for about 2 seasons now. The ability to not have to worry about your projects for a season should be priceless.
AND THEN, if we added Byron's suggestion to that, the idea that you could TRADE that immunity, that could bring about points for people not interested in the FiD Immunity.
I don't think there is a problem with diversity right now, but if there is I think this provides a lot more help than a few points to bandage the problem.Of course you don't think there's a problem because you have a team that's always at the top of the standings. lol But you are right in that there's a pattern that needs to be broken; the pattern that all the same teams are generally in the GP ALL the time. I wasn't a top team in Season 12... I squeaked into the GP in 8th spot by .5% and Cannon was the 5th place team. Yes, we had a good run in the GP, but just barely getting into the GP and finishing mid-pack is hardly a top team in the league. Bullies also never said he'd charity those A-fighters... I approached him about one them myself, and he wanted full price and wasn't interested in anything I was offering. It's the same thing we run into all the time here... everyone's teams are pretty much set, unfortunately. As for the FiD freeze thing, I thought I had mentioned it, previously but I've been having issues with my computer again this morning... I think it's a fine idea, in theory, I just think that 2 per weight class is a bit excessive considering there's really only a small handful of teams' fighters that ever appear on there at any given time. Perhaps 1 per weight class or 4 from any weight class would be sufficient, provided they've just come of a season of 1 win or less. I also don't think you should be able to trade that immunity... if you don't want to use it, you don't have to but it should be strictly for the bottom 2 teams from the previous season and not to be handed off to a higher team that obviously doesn't need that sort of immunity. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 16, 2015 19:46:23 GMT -5
suggstions weight in phx and cannon fid exempt this entire season moving on now..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 16, 2015 19:57:44 GMT -5
suggstions weight in phx and cannon fid exempt this entire season moving on now.. I already told you no. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true, and is probably hurting the odds of you being taken seriously in the serious comments you make. Grow up. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 16, 2015 21:31:15 GMT -5
suggstions weight in phx and cannon fid exempt this entire season moving on now.. I already told you no. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true, and is probably hurting the odds of you being taken seriously in the serious comments you make. Grow up. no we accepting in your stupid other a b c realism suggestion so were accepting the FID suggestion this season for me and phx .. makes it fairer for us on the bottom.. (ALSO might i add the whole concept of the a-b-c and 81 fighter contradicts itself if your making it so the realism like anderson silva is an a and wont lose to a 81 rating fighter because he wouldn't in real life lose to them is dumb and contradicting urself the whole fantasy of the site and whatnot..,) |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 16, 2015 21:41:50 GMT -5
YOu and Phoenix have absolutely no ability to stay on topic what so ever, do you?
Topic of this thread is not "Yes, Cannon declared this suggestion in place so its in place" nor is it "A B C fighters". It's the 1st overall pick.
QUestion for everyone who is NOT PHX or Cannon - do you feel like this thread is getting anywhere? After 3 pages, has anything worthwhile been said or accomplished?
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 16, 2015 22:28:55 GMT -5
YOu and Phoenix have absolutely no ability to stay on topic what so ever, do you? Topic of this thread is not "Yes, Cannon declared this suggestion in place so its in place" nor is it "A B C fighters". It's the 1st overall pick. QUestion for everyone who is NOT PHX or Cannon - do you feel like this thread is getting anywhere? After 3 pages, has anything worthwhile been said or accomplished? yes that the last place and second last place teams are fid exempt came from u who exactly are you asking if anyhting has been accomplished the member that sign in every few days n dont read anything |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 16, 2015 23:55:08 GMT -5
Last time I suggest anything.. Cause I point out a problem and it gets perverted into something else happening which does not fix or solve the problem. I don't feel that sandmen has actually addressed my problem I see at all... Instead I see sandmen throwing a bunch of unrelated stuff in intended to confuse the matter. So.. Sandmen what will you do about helping the teams that miss gp? Keep it simple and to the point. Fid exemptions I don't feel help.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 1:09:15 GMT -5
Last time I suggest anything.. Cause I point out a problem and it gets perverted into something else happening which does not fix or solve the problem. I don't feel that sandmen has actually addressed my problem I see at all... Instead I see sandmen throwing a bunch of unrelated stuff in intended to confuse the matter. So.. Sandmen what will you do about helping the teams that miss gp? Keep it simple and to the point. Fid exemptions I don't feel help. ...You kidding me? Read this whole suggestion thread again. You suggested something, Phoenix shredded it and suggested something else. I broke down my detailed thoughts on why I didn't think we had a problem, then went with the assumption we did have a problem and broke down why the previous suggestions did not solve said "problem". Then tried to contribute a solution to the problem I felt we did not even have in the first place. Pretty much since that time, PHX has had a rage-hard-on for me, and I have been screaming at all of you to STAY ON TRACK AND SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT WORKS. No one was (or is) doing that. I suggested something. No one commented on it. Byron suggested something. No one commented on it. And we are now left with you sitting there screaming "SOMETHING IS WRONG" but you are not giving me any feedback on why other people's suggestions are not working for you, or any other alternative solutions yourself. You think we have a problem. Okay, so suggest ways to fix it. I can't fix it for you when I don't even understand the problem to begin with (I have PMed you more on that, which I am sure you have read and replied to by now). Even though I still don't think there is a problem, I am trying really fricken hard to work with you guys here in this thread and am getting told over and over again I am perverting shit, diverting attention, or turning it into something else. I think reading over the comments here proves otherwise. For someone who doesn't give 2/200ths of a donkey's scrotum about this issue, I am trying really hard to help you solve it. So again, we come back to this. This is a problem you have found with the site, so give us ideas on how that problem can be fixed. There is no reason to get upset simply because your first suggestion got shot down (by someone other than myself, I should add). Keep the suggestions coming, rather than moving in the less-productive path of "Last time I suggest anything.. " |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 17, 2015 1:12:54 GMT -5
maybe tweak the FID rule of not having to wait a season to pick up your fighter you lost to FID
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 1:14:27 GMT -5
Again, that has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed here. We are having a hard enough time staying on track with "what to do with last place finishing teams (this is apparently a game-breaking problem for someone, so we need to discuss fixing it).
Please keep posts completely relevant to that, and not about anything else.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 1:17:03 GMT -5
So, getting back on track.
Suggestions posed:
PPP lowering.
5 points for 1st overall pick.
FiD Exemption.
Tradable FiD Exemption.
So what other ideas do we have?
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 1:28:29 GMT -5
There are a dozen reasons, 11 of which I have told you in person. But I am not addressing any of that here, as it has NOTHING to do with the 1st overall pick. Furthermore, now you are just calling people names for absolutely no reason. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NON-GP TEAMS & THE 1st OVERALL PICK.
ANYTHING FURTHER THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THAT DISCUSSION WILL BE DELETED FROM THIS THREAD WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 17, 2015 1:55:52 GMT -5
why did every one ignore my suggestion??? it mixed phx idea and sandmens idea so no one have to be upset their idea wasn picked. xx - Team GAP why you didn like that idea??? i donno i said i think is fine and i m tryin to help but it still feels like this much ado bout nothin. i turned my team around and i don get anywhere near the points others get ya know??? but yeah tradeable fighter safety would help wouldnt it??? you trade that for a couple points and get 2 poitns for draft pick then you finish last and you get 4-6 points jus like phx wants |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 10:19:49 GMT -5
I didn't ignore your suggestion. I thought it made as much sense as anything else here. As long as the trade was made before the season started, and was a 1-time trade type thing, I think. It feels like if the FiD exception were traded around throughout the season, it might get messy. But who knows, maybe not. Still waiting for others to weigh in on it. Anyone have any other ideas in the mean time? And so that I'm clear, xx - Team GAP, are we trying to focus on increasing the value of the 1st overall pick, or are we trying to figure out ways to help the not-that-great teams here? |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 17, 2015 10:38:14 GMT -5
why did every one ignore my suggestion??? it mixed phx idea and sandmens idea so no one have to be upset their idea wasn picked. xx - Team GAP why you didn like that idea??? i donno i said i think is fine and i m tryin to help but it still feels like this much ado bout nothin. i turned my team around and i don get anywhere near the points others get ya know??? but yeah tradeable fighter safety would help wouldnt it??? you trade that for a couple points and get 2 poitns for draft pick then you finish last and you get 4-6 points jus like phx wants I'm not sold on trading of the fighter immunity just because defeats the purpose of that immunity being given in the first place. It's meant to aide the team it's given to, not to be a tradeable asset... but it looks like that's not even happening either...
@ The Sandmen: No one raging and no one has been going off topic but you. Your "detailed description of your thoughts" was just the beginning of it. You go off on tangents that are unrelated to the topic we're discussing simply to cause confusion so that you can feel justified to say "your idea has no traction" or "that doesn't work" when the reality is that you simply believe that you're the only one that can come up with anything that works, and then we get into situations like this where you claim I'm "raging" when all I'm actually doing is having to re-explain myself and clean up the mess you've made by deviating from tthe topic and not even providing all the facts with your points so that it seems like your points are more truthful that they actually are... so, are we kidding you? No, we're not... cuz if you were really trying to work with us on any suggestions we've ever made here, you wouldn't immediately go out of your way to shoot it down outright, find half true reasonings for your opinion to confuse others to believing your BS with only partial information or you just outright bastardize the entire suggestion completely and change it into something it completely wasn't supposed to be at all. Then you wonder why folks like myself, GAP & Cannon get so frustrated with you that you always think we're doing it as an afront to you when usually we're not... You just don't listen to a damn thing anyone says cuz you THINK that you're right about EVERYTHING and that no one can possibly have a good idea but you. So we're constantly for to repeat ourselves cuz you're always finding ways to deviate from the topic and try and make it about something else so that when you feel that you confused the issue enough, you can just say "that doesn't work, moving on" and nothing ever gets done unless it's you pushing through something, even though valid arguments by more than one person have been made against it, it's your idea so it's "right"... which isn't always the case, as much as you'd like to think it is. |
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