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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 10:59:21 GMT -5
I'm not sold on trading of the fighter immunity just because defeats the purpose of that immunity being given in the first place. It's meant to aide the team it's given to, not to be a tradeable asset... but it looks like that's not even happening either... But if the last-place team would rather have points (i.e. you want 5 points, not immunity), it would be something you could trade to get what you want, whereas someone like Cannon could (and probably would) pay 5 points to be immune for the season. I would have thought you would have been on board with that, since it really does combine your suggestion with mine. (Good work BYron, lol) |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 17, 2015 11:52:53 GMT -5
I'm not sold on trading of the fighter immunity just because defeats the purpose of that immunity being given in the first place. It's meant to aide the team it's given to, not to be a tradeable asset... but it looks like that's not even happening either... But if the last-place team would rather have points (i.e. you want 5 points, not immunity), it would be something you could trade to get what you want, whereas someone like Cannon could (and probably would) pay 5 points to be immune for the season. I would have thought you would have been on board with that, since it really does combine your suggestion with mine. (Good work BYron, lol) No I understand that, I just don't think immunity should be a tradeable commodity... if you're given the immunity, then you're given it... it's not really something I would trade if ai were to get it... but that's my opinion on it. Whether it actually is tradeable or not doesn't matter much. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 17, 2015 16:16:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't disagree. I was also looking at it in terms of covering all bases. There are several teams that could very well end up in last place that probably don;t have to worry about FiD. Every team is it's own here, and every team has different needs, wants, holes, and surpluses.
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 24, 2015 14:53:59 GMT -5
I THAT is hilarious and sad. And yet another reason you should stick to the actual "problem" you are suggesting we solve. What's sad is that you continue deflecting by bringing up other things of no relevance... that's what's sad. It's also sad that you don't give a shit... stands to reason though, and just accents my point that unless you think of it yourself, it's then a bad idea, but you implement any hair brained idea you come up with, whether it's good or bad for.the site. Ok, so I actually went back and read this ridiculous thread, and while there are many things that I thought were inaccurate, stupid, or just nonsense, this comment in particular got to me. Here's the thing, I might not love/like everything that The Sandmen does or says on this site, but to say he doesn't care, when in fact, the only reason the site exists, is because he does care seems stupid. Don't kick a gift horse in the mouth. and the other thing is that lots of suggestions from members DO get implemented, I have made suggestions that then happened and I'm confident that there are others out there too. Also.. just as a nice heads up, don't ever call anyone darlin'- it's condescending and is way more likely to earn you a virtual or real life (depending on the situation) kick in the balls than a thank you from anyone. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 24, 2015 15:30:32 GMT -5
It's not as true as you'd like it to be that members ideas get implemented Ferocity... any idea from a member that has been implement has been bastardized and changed by Sandman into more his idea of the suggestion than the actual suggestion. So do not confuse that with member's ideas being implemented cuz no members idea has actually been implemented, ever. As for the "darlin" bit... that's just how I speak darlin'.. it's not meant to be condescending... sorry if you feel it does, but that's not the intent. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 24, 2015 17:47:21 GMT -5
It's not as true as you'd like it to be that members ideas get implemented Ferocity... any idea from a member that has been implement has been bastardized and changed by Sandman into more his idea of the suggestion than the actual suggestion. So do not confuse that with member's ideas being implemented cuz no members idea has actually been implemented, ever. As for the "darlin" bit... that's just how I speak darlin'.. it's not meant to be condescending... sorry if you feel it does, but that's not the intent. you talk like an old english broad you must not play for our team there DARLIN i watch modern family sall good you more like cameron tucker or mitchell pritchett?  |
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 24, 2015 19:47:02 GMT -5
Feb 29, 2012 at 8:39pm- xx - Camp Cannon suggested a second female fighter. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/283/second-women-fighter) Mar 10, 2012 at 3:56am xx - Camp Cannon suggested awards. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/367/awards) Mar 16, 2012 at 12:56am xx - Camp Cannon suggested 5 round fights. It was implemented (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/414/all-fights-5-rounds) Jul 31, 2012 at 10:41pm Lord Byron's Conquistadors suggested a tournament. It became the heavy weight contenders tournament. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/1038/tournaments) Aug 14, 2012 at 9:21pm @cor99 suggested that a perfect predictor got more points. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/1115/predictor-change) Oct 15, 2012 at 12:22am The Rocketmen suggested that we predict on real life events- we all agreed, it was okayed by The Sandmen, but no one chose to implement it (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/1463/ufc-fight-card-predictions) Dec 18, 2012 at 6:36am xx - Team GAP suggested team camps. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/2093/visiting-team-camps) Jan 14, 2013 at 4:46pm Lord Byron's Conquistadors suggested we be able to buy fighters. It was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/2325/buy-fighters) Feb 25, 2013 at 5:43pm Lord Byron's Conquistadors suggested that points for posts not be applied evenly to everyone. This has gone through several permutations as the league needs have changed but the base ideas WAS IMPLEMENTED. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/2711/new-suggestion) Mar 26, 2013 at 2:07pm The Rocketmen asked and IMPLEMENTED what type of Judging we wanted in ML (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/3002/ml-judging-poll) Feb 4, 2014 at 7:26pm xx - Camp Cannon suggested a 2 part point spending idea. The ability to re-distribute previously spent points was implemented. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/5076/scouting-reports) Jul 7, 2014 at 8:27am The Rocketmen suggested creating a D&D game. He implemented it. (http://manmma.proboards.com/thread/5797/forum-based-game) This is what I came up with after a BRIEF search. You should probably just shut up now. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 24, 2015 23:48:54 GMT -5
@ Ferocity: yes, some were implemented, but most weren't until Sandman completely twisted them into more his idea than what's ever been suggested... particularly, the training camps that GAP suggested were not the training camps that were implemented. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 24, 2015 23:55:47 GMT -5
@ Ferocity: yes, some were implemented, but most weren't until Sandman completely twisted them into more his idea than what's ever been suggested... particularly, the training camps that GAP suggested were not the training camps that were implemented. so training camps changed one tyme to speed up the process of the upgrades rather than wait for the team to come on to upgrade the guy cry me a river |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 25, 2015 0:16:18 GMT -5
My suggestion for camps was a lot different than what was implemented... Then it was changed again recently to speed things up...
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 25, 2015 3:48:56 GMT -5
This is what I came up with after a BRIEF search. You should probably just shut up now.   
particularly, the training camps that GAP suggested were not the training camps that were implemented. My suggestion for camps was a lot different than what was implemented... Incorrect. Re-read the suggestion. just an idea: Announce that your fighter is attending someone else's camp. your fighter then misses his next 2 fights (or however many) but the bonus for attending some else's camp is that you get a point but the other person gets to pick what they taught your fighter. so for example I announce that I am sending Shane Carwin to phoenix's camp. Shane Carwin misses 2 fights (or whatever is determined to be a fair number) and then phoenix posts that the stat he worked on was takedown defence. So Shane Carwin would get a +1 to takedown defence. You could also put a limit on it and say you can only send up to 2 fighters for every one season. This was just an idea that I thought up today.. let me know what you think.. this could be a work in progress if you guys like the idea.. The original incarnation of camps was pretty much exactly what was written there. And we used that for several seasons, until people stopped replying to fighters being sent to their camps, and fighters were starting to miss fights. Then it became a problem. When it became an actual problem, I had to change it. Further, at no point did your suggestion clarify what should be done if a stat was maxed. So, with respect, that was an error of omission on your part much more than "Sandmen twisting things". Not only all that, but also the list Ferocity provided was like, 12 suggestions long, spanning 3 years. You ignored all but one (which you both apparently mis-remembered the wording of).
Lastly, this thread - I have left this thread up to you guys for a while now to introduce a solution that works. I mean, you point the fingers at me, but Kruzey and GAP, my good men, you don't even have a suggestion you guys agree on among yourselves, let alone one the league supports. Personally, I don't think there is a problem, but I am only 1 person - if people think there is one, let's focus on getting it fixed. Get to work; you've only got 18 more events before it's too late! |
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 25, 2015 7:35:05 GMT -5
@ Ferocity: yes, some were implemented, but most weren't until Sandman completely twisted them into more his idea than what's ever been suggested... particularly, the training camps that GAP suggested were not the training camps that were implemented. Back it up. GAP says his training camp idea (which was a great one) was changed from his original intent. Fine. Most suggestions change according to the input that is left after them So you have one possible example. Where are the others? I'm not saying that The Sandmen is perfect, or that ideas never get changed. I'm just tired of what in my profession if I were stupid enough to say anything like it at work would amount to slander. Why is it slander? Because there is no reasonable proof that it's true. The constant "Sandman is a jerk, he's just a big bully who does whatever he wants on his own site" is pointless. I think we all love parts of what we have here and are working to fix the parts we don't. Sometimes there are clear solutions, many times there are not, but someone, somewhere, has to make the decision and since in all deference to polls and voting The Sandmen does that, we do have to accept it. If you have some adolescent difficulty with basic power structures please feel free to talk it out with your therapist and not act it out on here. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 25, 2015 11:33:02 GMT -5
@ Ferocity: yes, some were implemented, but most weren't until Sandman completely twisted them into more his idea than what's ever been suggested... particularly, the training camps that GAP suggested were not the training camps that were implemented. Back it up. GAP says his training camp idea (which was a great one) was changed from his original intent. Fine. Most suggestions change according to the input that is left after them So you have one possible example. Where are the others? I'm not saying that The Sandmen is perfect, or that ideas never get changed. I'm just tired of what in my profession if I were stupid enough to say anything like it at work would amount to slander. Why is it slander? Because there is no reasonable proof that it's true. The constant "Sandman is a jerk, he's just a big bully who does whatever he wants on his own site" is pointless. I think we all love parts of what we have here and are working to fix the parts we don't. Sometimes there are clear solutions, many times there are not, but someone, somewhere, has to make the decision and since in all deference to polls and voting The Sandmen does that, we do have to accept it. If you have some adolescent difficulty with basic power structures please feel free to talk it out with your therapist and not act it out on here.[/q-suggestion he made was posted already above and it was different than what was implemented. Fact is that you're right, most suggestions do get altered... actually all except Sandman's own ideas that always get implemented verbatim no matter how hairbrained it is or if it's not even needed. Am I really the only one that sees a problem with that Ferocity? You call it slander and claim that it's just calling Sandman a "big jerk" for no reason, well when half the shit that comes out of his mouth is him belittling people for having a different opinion or not agreeing with him, it says otherwise. But maybe in your profession, belittling people is acceptable behavior, it's not in my world but if you're doing it someone else then you deserve to have it done right back to you... and he resorts to that every time someone isn't being convinced of his view... but when anyone stands up to him, and calls him on his shit, they get painted as a whiny bitch and somehow his actions get completely ignored... why? Cuz he's the admin and that gives him license to treat folks like shit when they don't agree with everything he says and does? Screw that... he needs to be accountable for himself and his actions too, not just pointing the finger at everyone else all the time and just expect folks to take his crap... cuz you're absolutely right, he's not perfect... he just hasn't got that memo or he just chooses to ignore it cuz by the way he acts, he sure thinks he is... for whatever reason. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 25, 2015 12:04:34 GMT -5
We all realize that this site is a game right? I hope that's not lost in everything and is probably why people brush off the complaints here. It's a game, it's light-hearted, and if it's taken any seriously than that then I would suggest that that person needs to re-examine their priorities in life.
The site's fine. Let's all just have a good time.
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 25, 2015 19:35:02 GMT -5
yeah, don't think @pheonix and I are ever going to agree here, so I will have to accept that you can't change some people's minds about some things, and that misunderstandings (whether intentional or not) will just rule some conversations. So I'm done on this thread. The Rocketmen is right, we're here to have fun and these are 'little deals' in the course of a life. Enjoy. |
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