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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Apr 17, 2015 12:23:45 GMT -5
lol gif.
phx you answered quesitons with what you thik problems are. thing is most people dont agree. just cause they dont agree doesn mean they trolling you. i disagree with you that aint a troll its a different opinion. im one of the few people who been where you are but decisions matter and i made decisoons that it didn;t matter if i was last iw as gonna work on some guys i liked and maybe get a belt i done that. yo post more than me so you can too. if you need help with upgrades inbox sandmen. i didn use him for bas but he helped me before and bulldozers for sure.
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Apr 17, 2015 12:25:44 GMT -5
"This isn't high school, bub!" #RuinedFamousQuotes And you're one of the worst ones of the bunch Sandman. You're the bloody admin of site man... start acting like one FFS instead of just selectively. man just stop. i posted something real here stop bellyaching and read the shit that people are sayin that matter not the things you think are trolls. christ man tired of people having fits cuz someone else laughs at somethin. we didn;t used to do that in season 1 you could fuckin laugh at shit without having someone have an agenda against you for it. whats the draft pick problem? fuckin nothing other than the people with the problem don talk about what the fukin problem is!!! guess there aint one. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 17, 2015 12:34:57 GMT -5
And you're one of the worst ones of the bunch Sandman. You're the bloody admin of site man... start acting like one FFS instead of just selectively. man just stop. i posted something real here stop bellyaching and read the shit that people are sayin that matter not the things you think are trolls. christ man tired of people having fits cuz someone else laughs at somethin. we didn;t used to do that in season 1 you could fuckin laugh at shit without having someone have an agenda against you for it. whats the draft pick problem? fuckin nothing other than the people with the problem don talk about what the fukin problem is!!! guess there aint one. I completely agree with you... it's just that sometimes it's not just for a laugh, and when we have the admin of site joining in with the rest of the trolls, it makes everything else.ok when it's not. We're supposed to be having a discussion here, not taking pot-shots at eachother. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Apr 17, 2015 12:39:07 GMT -5
Right. Because the admin of a no-budget and not-for-profit simulation site is like accountable for diplomacy on a level of the president. Makes sense.
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 12:42:12 GMT -5
NO FUN ALLOWED EVER FOR ADMIN! SHUT UP AND SIM OUR FIGHTS!!!
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 17, 2015 12:47:50 GMT -5
Right. Because the admin of a no-budget and not-for-profit simulation site is like accountable for diplomacy on a level of the president. Makes sense. Not quite, but he does have to be accountable in the sense that if he wants certain things to stop, he shouldn't engage in those activities himself... otherwise why should anyone listen to him when they're asked to stop; lead by example. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 12:49:35 GMT -5
So if I want you to stop saying "bub", I, myself, should stop saying "bub"? That's our take-away from that outburst?
(I also notice how you ignored the ACTUAL point Byron made so you could go on that subsequent, irrelevent rant, rather than staying on topic. Klassic Kruze)
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 13:12:47 GMT -5
So going back to the actual topic of this thread: "Pinpointing the problem". I don't feel that has been done.
- Where does the line between team responsibility and league fairness lie? Most seem to think the line is acceptable where it is - teams are responsible for their performances and the concessions we have to weaker teams are enough to keep them competitive when they want to be. Teams have many options available to them to get better if getting better is their goal.
- Is it too hard to make a competitive team? Everyone has a different idea and goal in mind about what a "competitive TEAM in a 1-on-1 fight league actually is. Most seem to think making a competitive GP team is challenging, but do-able. Winning a belt, the same. I think this season more than any previous has shown that this is true. But I have always said and believe that winning a belt should be damned hard.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 17, 2015 13:51:09 GMT -5
I don't think the concessions made are quite enough, even though they are adequate. The 1st & 2nd overall picks should be worth more than what they are right now, as we've seen what people were willing to offer for Barnett; even at 3 and 2 points, respectively, that would be sufficient enough of an increase to reflect the value of the picks.
There actually seem to be a separation on that with some folks have an easier time making a champion, others have an easier making a GP team. I'm not completely sold that anything has changed all that much other than the championships have changed hands early this season, but that's just it, we're early in the season yet. So, I don't think only being 5 events in can give us much of an accurate reading just yet in a 20 event season.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Apr 17, 2015 14:02:41 GMT -5
I don't think the concessions made are quite enough, even though they are adequate. The 1st & 2nd overall picks should be worth more than what they are right now, as we've seen what people were willing to offer for Barnett; even at 3 and 2 points, respectively, that would be sufficient enough of an increase to reflect the value of the picks. There actually seem to be a separation on that with some folks have an easier time making a champion, others have an easier making a GP team. I'm not completely sold that anything has changed all that much other than the championships have changed hands early this season, but that's just it, we're early in the season yet. So, I don't think only being 5 events in can give us much of an accurate reading just yet in a 20 event season.  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 14:04:26 GMT -5
as we've seen what people were willing to offer for Barnett; even at 3 and 2 points, respectively, that would be sufficient enough of an increase to reflect the value of the picks. You keep bringing up Josh Barnett, and there is a serious fault in logic there. 1) First and foremost, there is an inherent logical fallacy in claiming that because Barnett went for a higher-than-some value, that the pick itself is worth that value. This is 1 fighter out of 1 season out of 13. Milana Dudieva was a 1st overall pick in season 12, as was Akihiro Gono in 11. Think either one is worth more than 2 points right now? 2)Trades you were offered that you rejected do not reflect his value. The trade you did does. Points had to be added to Josh to get Jon Fitch (who's last previous trade was for Pat Militich, who sat on FA for several seassons, also acquirable for 2 points and passed on by everyone repeatedly). Josh was most-recently traded for Bec Rawlings and Frank Mir (a combined value of 2 points). 3) Josh sat on FA for, what, a full season prior to you picking him up? He could have been acquired for 2 points by anyone at that time. He wasn't. 4) You successfully turned your 1st overall pick into alleged offers valuing up to 5 points. With the system we have now. Soooo, just do that any time you get a 1st overall pick and you are set. Why does the league need to get involved when you did just fine on your own? |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 17, 2015 14:40:25 GMT -5
@ The Sandmen: Why does everything coming from you seem like an attack all the time man? I didn't take any of the deals that were rejected because they were were all posted presumtuously with little, to no, negotiation at all nor was there any acceptance of them on my part, at all, and to me, that's just disrespectful. But the fact that those were the offers, does in fact show the value of that pick, regardless of what was eventually taken. If you want to call it illogical after the fact cuz I didn't give you what you wanted and how you wanted it, go right ahead... but it doesn't change the fact that it's what I was offered and showed the true value of that pick; there was nothing alleged about them since they were posted prematurely. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 17:31:07 GMT -5
@ The Sandmen: Why does everything coming from you seem like an attack all the time man? Donno. I was, however, attacking bad logic. Not you, so keep that in mind now and in the future and don't take it personally. But the fact that those were the offers, does in fact show the value of that pick, No, it shows, in fact, the value of Josh Barnett (who, as I said, is now apparently worth 2 points, so this argument is even more moot now than it was yesterday). If you want to call it illogical after the fact cuz I didn't give you what you wanted and how you wanted it, go right ahead... Not relevant to Josh Barnett, the pick, or its value. Omit in future to avoid essays. (Also, why would I care? I got Josh in a more appropriate deal afterwards, lol) but it doesn't change the fact that it's what I was offered and showed the true value of that pick; Excellent. So, again, the pick is worth more than 2 points on open market, and you got that with the old system, so we're good. When 5/6 people say there is no problem at all, and the 6th says he got better value for the pick using a series of trades after-the-fact, then what's the problem? End result is you got the value you wanted out of the pick. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 17, 2015 17:59:38 GMT -5
It's a difference of opinion, not bad logic. As I've said to you numerous times, just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean either is bad logic. I see and understand everything you're saying, I just simply don't agree with you on any particular point above.
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 17, 2015 18:09:28 GMT -5
I just simply don't agree with you on any particular point above. And 83% of the people posting in this thread simply don't agree that there's a problem. Convince us. |
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