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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 8, 2015 7:39:50 GMT -5
Starting a new thread here to free us from the bickering and mud-slinging of the last thread. Here's a fresh new forum for xx - Team GAP and xx - Former Bulldozers to propose and discuss their ideas for an improved system. Please keep these 3 things in mind though when brainstorming: 1) Please do not come up with something that creates substantially more work for me. (Our current system takes less then 2 minutes twice a season). 2) Please do not come up with something that needs to be re-evaluated every year, as activity fluctuates season-by-season. 3) Please keep the entire scope of the site in mind when hammering out a suggestion. We have people who post for 40 points a half-season, people who post for 1, and people who post for 12. That's a REALLY broad range. With those in mind, the floor is yours, gentlemen. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Oct 8, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -5
How about :
1) you take the difference between what the highest poster made for points and the person you are figuring out and half it. For example sandmen made 40 points(which was highest in league) and mine where I made 20 thus gaining me a bonus of 10 points. But ferocity made 2 points so ferocity would get 17 points. ( you could cap this idea to a max of 15 points or so a person cannot go over the cap of 15 so if they had 2 points banked still then they could only get 13 points max.)
2) you go back to the way it was before when the system worked lower ppp for people who post less. This could be evaluated as to who is in need of lower or higher ppp at half season time and end of season time.
3) you could slow down how fast people can gain points for the higher posting half of the league. Which would allow lower posters to catch up. Which should allow for closer competition.
4) Higher half give a capped A rated (or highest that they own)fighter to lower half (distrubited randomly) since higher half have the points they can afford the tax. Cause they can afford to rebuild fighters where people who have a hard time posting find it really difficult.
I'll admit some of these ideas were not fully thought out but it gives us a starting point for discussion
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Oct 8, 2015 13:49:01 GMT -5
I like GAP's first idea
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Ferocity
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Post by Ferocity on Oct 8, 2015 16:39:53 GMT -5
ok... how about this:
We have salary instead of earning points for posts.
For example we pay 3 points per week per team IF that team signs in and makes at least one post.
That's it- that's all you have to do.
All the other point things remain the same- like you earn for predicting (thus rewarding those who predict) and for winning belts ect.
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Oct 8, 2015 18:04:43 GMT -5
ok... how about this: We have salary instead of earning points for posts. For example we pay 3 points per week per team IF that team signs in and makes at least one post. That's it- that's all you have to do. All the other point things remain the same- like you earn for predicting (thus rewarding those who predict) and for winning belts ect. i can see where you're coming from but I think we have to make a difference for those teams that are more active. Like for every 50 posts they make they get an extra point. |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Oct 8, 2015 19:16:59 GMT -5
every 50 wouldn't make sense, they'd still end up with 20 points more per season not including prediction bonuses. I like the idea of having it be even across the board, but if you do think that the more active people deserve something, then I'd put the count at like 100 or something, if not more, but I think that this way no one gets rewarded for arguing, it's all about an even playing field enjoying the site together. I dig it a lot. Thanks for the suggestion Ferocity! More people should weigh in though!
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 8, 2015 22:26:40 GMT -5
How about : 1) you take the difference between what the highest poster made for points and the person you are figuring out and half it. For example sandmen made 40 points(which was highest in league) and mine where I made 20 thus gaining me a bonus of 10 points. But ferocity made 2 points so ferocity would get 17 points. ( you could cap this idea to a max of 15 points or so a person cannot go over the cap of 15 so if they had 2 points banked still then they could only get 13 points max.) #1 Quick fact-correction - xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club had the most points from posting at the half-way mark - he had 41. I had 35, Rocketmen had 30. So with that in mind, with your system, Kruze gets 0 bonus points, I get 3 bonus points, Mike gets 5. Sounds like a cesspool of problems waiting to happen. #2 I have already said I am unwilling to do. I am not re-evaluating everyone's PPP every season, let alone twice a season. #3 How do you "slow down" how someone gets points outside of raising PPP? And if you raise PPP, how do you avoid the problem we ran into with #2? #4 a) if you ran this suggestion by Kruze he would crucify you. b) why would i ever post anything ever if it meant I could lost my favourite fighter of all time for NO reason? Possibly to a team who signs on once every 2 weeks. I can also vouch for the fact that people don't want good, established fighters (for some reason). I have shipped mine off to many teams and few seem to care, or get truly excited by it. Also, the ability to upgrade a new person does not make them the old person. Especially in the case of people who have come to love the project fighter THEY have created. Like me and Ben Askren. Complete piece of shit fighter no one here cares about (most don;t even know), but I made him good. I could make a new fighter LIKE Ben, but he's not the same guy. (If they that were the case, you would have traded me Fedor long ago, since I have offered you many better fighters for him). ok... how about this: We have salary instead of earning points for posts. For example we pay 3 points per week per team IF that team signs in and makes at least one post. That's it- that's all you have to do. All the other point things remain the same- like you earn for predicting (thus rewarding those who predict) and for winning belts ect. If people want to sacrifice earnings for fairness and a level playing field, (which seems to be what GAP's suggestions and xx - Former Bulldozers's complaints were all about) this works great. Here are some more thoughts on why this could be a god damned home run: 1) We have the built-in option to include bonuses for active posters to cover Bulldozer's issue with the system of not rewarding active people. Something like an extra point each week or something for reaching a specific posting milestone or something? I donno, lot's of leeway there for bonuses - and the bonuses can be EARNED, unlike now where the bonuses are hand-outs to teams that are being given them for inactivity. I would rather give people who earn things bonuses then those who did not earn them and complain about getting them.  2) We also embrace our identity that the site is filled with more part-timers then full-timers. This is something we've been pushing against for many years now, trying to make inactive people become active. People have quit in the past because they are not active enough to support a competitive team. Now, bam - it doesn't matter as much (again, bonuses of some sort could still encourage posting more, but could still keep the league away from game-breaking numbers like our current 40 point spread between the highest and lowest posters). 3) Any and all bickering about people fighting just to get points goes away. As does the notion of post-whoring, and all kinds of other shit. 4) It actually makes points EASIER and clearer for me. If I have to take over point allocation duties on my own, this makes that job actually do-able. With the current system, I cannot run the site without a helper taking care of that part. With this, I probably could. 5) Added incentive to sign in at least once a week. I donno if we have people who don't sign in once a week, but this would be an incentive for consistency for sure. 6) Value. The value of points becomes universal. Right now, 10 points to me is not the same as 10 points to Ferocity. If everyone gets 3 points a week, we all know exactly how long it will take us to earn the points and if a fighter is worth said points. It also gives a crystal clear timeline for any trades involving "points as acquired". I'm seeing a lot of Pros to Ferocity's suggestion. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 9, 2015 0:56:53 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't stake anyone to a cross or anything lol But GAP's suggestions do seem to make things better for everyone but me, unfortunately. The 4th one is absolute lunacy though.  Like he said though... some weren't well thought out. As for Ferocity's suggestion, that's probably the best thing I've ever seen as PPP suggestion this entire time of being here. I'd be down to giving that a shot next season for sure.  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 9, 2015 1:10:51 GMT -5
Did.....did Kruze and I just agree on something? I think that's twice in 2 months. Hell really is freezing over.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Oct 9, 2015 13:42:58 GMT -5
I like that it's incredibly possible that Ferocity just nonchalantly popped on and solved the sites problems lol
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Ferocity
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Post by Ferocity on Oct 9, 2015 20:25:43 GMT -5
nope, you guys did by actually potentially agreeing on something. yay site!
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 9, 2015 20:28:59 GMT -5
nope, you guys did by actually potentially agreeing on something. yay site! Your idea started it... take a bow. |
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Post by Ferocity on Oct 9, 2015 20:30:46 GMT -5
i realized i disagreed to tell everyone good job on agreeing- I was going to fix it, but oh well. Now it is there for the world to see. Irony or stupidity, sometimes I can't tell the difference.
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Post by The Sandmen on Oct 9, 2015 20:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Oct 9, 2015 21:04:17 GMT -5
2) When do we want to switch over to this? It's the type of change that can be done pretty much any time. You've set the precedent for this yourself already and have said that suggestions come at this time of the season and are to be implemented the following season, if voted in. Implementing it now would go against the rules. |
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Like he said though... some weren't well thought out.
