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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 18:43:45 GMT -5
LMAO Yah, you wish don't you... I love how you get all indignant and resort to trolling when you have no other resort or retort.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 15, 2015 18:48:17 GMT -5
"No other resort to retort"? lmao indeed.
I've addressed your silliness until it reached a loop. Once it gets to repeating itself, it's not worth the time. You think Invicta fighters are great because Sarah D'Alelio fought there (until she lost too much and was cut). I, however, am looking for historical perspective. Only 2 organizations really carry that (I would say 3, since Bellator had a jacked women's division at one point, but it no longer represents elite WMMA). So we stick with what makes sense.
Invicta makes no sense. Boosting your fighters just because you think its "fair" makes no sense.
So, here we are, just where we were 4 hours ago - The original suggestion makes the most sense, so we'll move forward with it. But thank you for your input. It is appreciated as always, even though we do not agree.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 15, 2015 18:50:04 GMT -5
i think we should keep it at just ufc champs than so rouse holm carla and johanna only get the 1 upgrade tate sucks cyborg was a druggy and carano well she was a pionneer but doesnt live up to todays woman fighting standands..
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 15, 2015 18:51:02 GMT -5
i think we should keep it at just ufc champs than so rouse holm carla and johanna only get the 1 upgrade tate sucks cyborg was a druggy and carano well she was a pionneer but doesnt live up to todays woman fighting standands.. Carano was never a champion. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 19:00:42 GMT -5
"No other resort to retort"? lmao indeed. I've addressed your silliness until it reached a loop. Once it gets to repeating itself, it's not worth the time. You think Invicta fighters are great because Sarah D'Alelio fought there (until she lost too much and was cut). I, however, am looking for historical perspective. Only 2 organizations really carry that (I would say 3, since Bellator had a jacked women's division at one point, but it no longer represents elite WMMA). So we stick with what makes sense. Invicta makes no sense. Boosting your fighters just because you think its "fair" makes no sense. So, here we are, just where we were 4 hours ago - The original suggestion makes the most sense, so we'll move forward with it. But thank you for your input. It is appreciated as always, even though we do not agree. No, what makes the most sense is no changes being made to the women's cap at this time at all. The problem you're proposing that it "fixes" doesn't do anything except uncap or raise the cap of a majority of women in this league that are already fighting at their potential compared to the rest of the league, except for your own fighter. So really you're doing this for yourself and not for the league when there's no problem to fix. And don't put words in my mouth.... Invicta is, and has been, the premiere women's league ever since Strikeforce shut down. It's only been since very recently that UFC and Uncle Dana wised up and allowed women into the UFC to compete. Sorry to disappoint you, but at no time have I ever once said anything about Sarah D'Alelio in this entire thread, nor would that be a basis for an opinion about Invicta. That's simply you trying to place that value on it for me, to try and downplay my valid points made. Period. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 19:05:49 GMT -5
i think we should keep it at just ufc champs than so rouse holm carla and johanna only get the 1 upgrade tate sucks cyborg was a druggy and carano well she was a pionneer but doesnt live up to todays woman fighting standands.. We honestly shouldn't even be touching the women yet unless we do something all of them Norm. I know you have Rousey & Holm in that mix and have been wanting to do more with Rousey without pulling points out of her, but it really isn't fair to the rest of the league when the fighters that this affects, including yours, are all already at the top of their respective divisions without giving them a cap boost. It's just too soon to do that unless something is done for everyone. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 15, 2015 19:09:19 GMT -5
So we're back to your flio-flop on the "women need to go up to 79" and then "no changes need to be made", lol. Okay there tiger. Since we had no rankings to give the women a sliding scale, the legit champions thing works as a fine alternative. Again, it does suck that your (and my) favourite female figher are not good enough to be there, but them's the breaks. It's not always about us. ManMMa always has been about the fighters themselves, above all else including teams. Strikeforce and UFC are the way to go  Uncle Dana allowed women into the UFC a few months after Invicta opened. Which is why Invicta's talent pool is basically non-existent. Anyone worth having has moved up, moved down, or fights whoever is left after the real fighters have moved down, up, or out.  |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 19:17:35 GMT -5
So we're back to your flio-flop on the "women need to go up to 79" and then "no changes need to be made", lol. Okay there tiger. Since we had no rankings to give the women a sliding scale, the legit champions thing works as a fine alternative. Again, it does suck that your (and my) favourite female figher are not good enough to be there, but them's the breaks. It's not always about us. ManMMa always has been about the fighters themselves, above all else including teams. Strikeforce and UFC are the way to go  Uncle Dana allowed women into the UFC a few months after Invicta opened. Which is why Invicta's talent pool is basically non-existent. Anyone worth having has moved up, moved down, or fights whoever is left after the real fighters have moved down, up, or out. Nope. No flip-flopping... either all women to 79 & Champions to 80-81 (whichever) OR nothing at all. I've been saying that the entire time. The "Champions" that have been upgraded the most are already, mostly, fighting at their potentials, which is exactly what you claimed this proposal of yours was for. So there's no need to to make the change unless you're going to make a change across the board on all the women because those IRL champions are the top women in the league already. If they weren't, then that'd be totally different. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 15, 2015 19:21:09 GMT -5
lmao
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 19:30:10 GMT -5
Nothing funny; it's a fact. Just because I spent time explaining to you why the women's IRL champions needed to be expanded or why the rest of the league needs a boost as well as the IRL champions, doesn't mean I wasn't for not doing anything to the women's cap at all either. |
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Dec 15, 2015 19:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 15, 2015 20:30:21 GMT -5
watch out xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club sandmen may try and ban and try n charge you two bucks a month for your membership of the site 4 not argreeing with him (even tho your a great friend and that gives him shit 4 free all the time..) |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 15, 2015 21:14:19 GMT -5
watch out xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club sandmen may try and ban and try n charge you two bucks a month for your membership of the site 4 not argreeing with him even tho your a great friend and he gives him shit 4 free all the time LMAO Ok, now that's funny.  |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Dec 15, 2015 21:53:32 GMT -5
this is fine as is no need to do phxs shit and heres why. strikeforce champ was automatically ufc champ when she came up but invicta champs are not automatically ufc champs or even get ufc belts. champs should be disctinguished men or women this makes sense to me go with it.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Dec 15, 2015 22:28:39 GMT -5
stop
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!
Jan 21, 2021 13:09:55 GMT -5
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