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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 0:13:33 GMT -5
so, it's okay that you have 25 fighters because you have an entire division? the fuck? No, it's not ok... but when there was no one taking these fighters, and the league was short, who stepped up? It certainly wasn't you. more fighters = more fights for you and less for everyone else, you selfish bastard. Yep... that's the nature of the beast. And it's only a problem for you now because my fighters have now improved over 13 seasons. It's always hit and miss with my roster... It's either awesome or it's shit... there's rarely any in between. teams with lower, respectable fight teams win more, kruze gets angry at the simulation program. kruze catches up and now gets all the fighters and more fights. If teams like yours took more guys/gals in certain weight classes, I probably wouldn't have as big of roster as I do, Mr. 1 FW, 4HWs and 2 of each in BW, LW & MW! I end up picking up the shortfall because I want a good competitive number, so does Sandman, which is why he's been giving incentives to take women and things, but guys like you don't take that initiative... so who's left to do that? The guy with the already inflated roster... cuz what's one more fighter when no one else is going to step up and take one? basically, this is what it should be: everyone in the site that has less than 16 fighters get to have their 3-4 fights per fighter per season. people OVER that amount should expect that their fighters fight less because there aren't enough fights to go around to members on their team. No, because every one has taken different amounts of fighters in different weight classes, as I demonstrated above with your team make up... There is part of my roster that I like and that I won't deal, but I've been the one that's been playing the balancing act all this time because guys like you don't take the initiative yourself and help out in balancing out the divisions. I took that on... but I'm still somehow labeled as the guy that's only in it for myself. Get real buddy. Cuz if I didn't feel like I was somewhat obligated to help keep this league a float, and I'd been able to make deals my team would actually look more like this: Miriam Nakamoto BW Sarah D'Alelio BW Julia Budd BW Alexis Davis BW Julie Kedzie BW Cat Zingano BW Jessica Eye FW Leslie Smith FW Katja Kankaanpää FW Alexander Gustafsson HW Tito Ortiz (31-33) HW Tim Sylvia HW Brock Lesnar HW Mac Danzig LW Mike Brown LW Dominick Cruz LW Jason MacDonald MW Rory MacDonald MW Rich Franklin MW Large roster, but not like it is now... So tell me more about how much of a selfish bastard I am for doing what you wouldn't. I've actually earned my right to bitch some things... what have you done? |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Dec 21, 2015 3:37:59 GMT -5
Iv e had this issue with PHX before too of him having so many fighter that i actually had rousey fight his 6 female n she beat em all n he retired a fighter
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 3:50:16 GMT -5
Iv e had this issue with PHX before too of him having so many fighter that i actually had rousey fight his 6 female n she beat em all n he retired a fighter Wow...  a coherent statement from Cannon.  And it's 100% true. I may not agree with Normand 100% of the time, but I can respect the fact that he makes true statements sometimes... even if we don't speak Cannonese. lol  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 4:21:57 GMT -5
Does that mean we can have another Cannon vs. PHX challenge and reduce league numbers by 1 again? Lose another useless fighter? I'd sim that.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 4:27:38 GMT -5
Also, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, if you would be happy to limit your roster to that which you listed above, I'd be all in favour of that.   I think few would put up a large fight that we need the likes of most of those missing guys in the realm of the "Best MMA fighters of all time". King Mo Lawal Edson Barboza Nate Quarry Martin Kampmann Nate Marquardt all rather disposable. And it would have the entire league sitting at an under-20-fighter roster. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 5:42:52 GMT -5
Also, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, if you would be happy to limit your roster to that which you listed above, I'd be all in favour of that. I think few would put up a large fight that we need the likes of most of those missing guys in the realm of the "Best MMA fighters of all time". King Mo Lawal Edson Barboza Nate Quarry Martin Kampmann Nate Marquardt all rather disposable. And it would have the entire league sitting at an under-20-fighter roster. You're on fucking glue if you think they're disposable now... King Mo Lawal (27-29) HW 3 - 0 Edson Barboza (7-10) LW 2 - 0 Nate Quarry (8-10) MW 2 - 1 Martin Kampmann (24-26) MW 2 - 1 Nate Marquardt (8-9) MW 2 - 1 I only gave that as an example of where my team would be now if things had gone another way, not for you to be a dickhead and claim I should fuck up my team now. You're just like the rest of these assholes trying to pick at me now. Suddenly my team is good, for one season again, it's time to cut Phoenix down? Why do I perpetually be at the bottom of the league for you to be happy? My team is a product of my own devising because of the circumstances I've been faced with in 13 seasons in this league. If you don't like it now, tough shit. I've earned this... It's not like my team was awesome off the bat. You asking me this now is like asking you to drop Anderson, Carano, Tate, Askren & Aoki... I mean, they're disposable right? You've got your use out of them for 16 seasons... You asked in that other thread where my fun-line ends... This fucking shit right here. Some fucking "I'm holier than thou" piece of shit like you that's had more success in this league than anyone trying to tell me that I have to diminish my team now all because I said this is where my team would be IF... and I'm suddenly at the top of the league for one season. Happened before... guess where I was the next season... BOTTOM 2! Yet you've been at the top of the league for multiple seasons and it's only been recently that you've moved shit, and you're still near the top. Let folks have they're moment... You've had enough, haven't you? I mean you claim that when you knew you won the GP you said "Ah, for Fuck Sakes!" cuz you "really wanted PHX" to win the GP"... Did you really? This act of you suggesting I tear down my team says otherwise bub. I didn't get to that point with you until it was year 14 or 15 of your dominance of the entire league... but you're coming at me now after off-setting seasons where I only made the top 2 once? Really? Who's trying to keep who down here? So, I've built it in a different way than you did... Does it make it any less of an accomplishment that I did it this way? Now you want me to tear it down cuz it's not your way? No, I won't do that... After all I've done and had to put up with to this point... No. You've sat atop the league for more than 10 seasons with what's been more than supposedly a better team than mine... Yet I make the GP finals twice and only finish in the top two once, in 13 seasons, but suddenly I have to dismantle my team? That won't happen. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 9:55:06 GMT -5
Funny how things change when the call to action actually comes, eh? Words are easy. Action, not so much.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Dec 21, 2015 10:04:35 GMT -5
lol
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 10:18:16 GMT -5
So getting back to the question at hand, so far we have 3 members who seem to have a problem with league numbers, and 2 people who are fine with it as is. I'm abstaining from this one, since it's about what finding what the league is feeling, and I am still interested in how other people are feeling about this.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 21, 2015 11:53:18 GMT -5
Well, despite the rampant fear of being called an ass-kisser to anyone that doesn't agree with Kruze, I do think that rosters should be lower, like a cap of maybe 15 or 16, around there tops, basically enough for everyone to have like 3 fighters per division (your top guy, your up and comer, and a project fighter).
Good on Ducks for actually giving an approximation of how many fights there are per season, and to which teams those fights are mostly going. Essentially on a 12 team league, and Kruze having twice the amount of fighters, sometimes 2 and a half times more than others, he is gaining roughly 20-23% of all fights for his guys. Doesn't seem to right to me.
#sharethecage
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 13:34:28 GMT -5
Funny how things change when the call to action actually comes, eh? Words are easy. Action, not so much. Funny how you'd even interpret what I was saying as even remotely close to dropping fighters. It's has nothing to do with a call to action because I didn't say any were disposable, however, I did say in the draft thread that I'd be willing to move some talent around. The problem with that is that no one but Byron actually comes to me with serious trades, and even then, most times he's expecting me to give him a handout. So getting back to the question at hand, so far we have 3 members who seem to have a problem with league numbers, and 2 people who are fine with it as is. I'm abstaining from this one, since it's about what finding what the league is feeling, and I am still interested in how other people are feeling about this. The two teams in question, that are complaining about this are teams that have 10-11 fighters apiece and are a big part of the reason that we have small numbers in certain weight classes like BW, FW & LW as it is: Ducks = 2 BWs, 1 FW KO's = 2 BWs, 1 FW(now) & 1 LW Most teams have an average of 3 in most cases, except for Byron who has only 2 FWs and Bullies who has only 2 BWs. If these two, Ducks & KO's, would actually picked up more fighters, which you've been asking for, yet it's only now that KO's selected another woman in the draft when most seasons he's just sitting there with only one woman for season after season prior to this last one. Yet they have the audacity to come in here and bitch because of my roster size when it's acutally their low numbers on their own teams in certain weight classes that's the problem and the reason you're always clamoring for more women or more LWs. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 13:44:27 GMT -5
As I told you privately, I'm not concerned about the women. Our female numbers are fine. A growing concern for me now, however, is the number of men. I would be content to drop about 7-10 men. That would give us very workable numbers.
I mean, ideally, what I would like to be able to do from a league/booking perspective is put a cap on the number of fighters we can have in each division. That would make my life easiest. But I'm not sure there is a fair way to do that, since there is no way of really fairly determining where the decreases would come from.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 13:58:48 GMT -5
Well, despite the rampant fear of being called an ass-kisser to anyone that doesn't agree with Kruze, I do think that rosters should be lower, like a cap of maybe 15 or 16, around there tops, basically enough for everyone to have like 3 fighters per division (your top guy, your up and comer, and a project fighter). Good on Ducks for actually giving an approximation of how many fights there are per season, and to which teams those fights are mostly going. Essentially on a 12 team league, and Kruze having twice the amount of fighters, sometimes 2 and a half times more than others, he is gaining roughly 20-23% of all fights for his guys. Doesn't seem to right to me. #sharethecage For the most part I agree with this and the percentage is more or less accurate. The problem with that top paragraph there, is that a number of teams, including KO's & Ducks, that have literally only 1 or 2 in some weight classes and they generally don't take more in those weight classes when the opportunities come up to do so; ie. the seasonal draft, mid-season draft, add/drop. This past season, and the one coming up, are the first time in ages that KO's has had more than one woman on his team. That being said, they've chosen to do that all on their own and have smaller rosters, just as I have chosen to have a larger one. It's just as much about team building styles as it is a numbers game at this point. It's just as frustrating for me to have to go through this crap every off season whether it be due to my roster size or PPP, which now has been rectified, but at the same time, any time my team shows any inkling that they've dug themselves out of the cellar, some jerk has to come in and shit on me or me team and suggests placing more limits on me, when the problem they're having would easily be rectified if they looked at their own team and increased their numbers in some weight classes that they're weak in instead of trying to attack someone else's team. As I told you privately, I'm not concerned about the women. Our female numbers are fine. A growing concern for me now, however, is the number of men. I would be content to drop about 7-10 men. That would give us very workable numbers. I mean, ideally, what I would like to be able to do from a league/booking perspective is put a cap on the number of fighters we can have in each division. That would make my life easiest. But I'm not sure there is a fair way to do that, since there is no way of really fairly determining where the decreases would come from. And that's fair enough, from a booking standpoint, however, was it not 2 seasons ago that you said we were short on LWs? And you asked a bunch of us to take on LWs? This season it was FWs. Maybe we should be looking at this from a standpoint of how many fighters are in each weight class as opposed to just separating it into men & women. I mean, I'll be the first to admit that I'll more than obviously have an issue with a BW cap, since those 6 gals are of some of my favorite fighters ever, and are somewhat of a foundation of my team when you get past Lesnar & Cruz. I've also told you privately that I didn't want to go over 25 fighters, but due to what you claimed the league needed, I waived that self-imposed cap and went to 27; I'm actually sitting at 26, for those keeping score. So, if folks wanna trade, let's do it, but from what I've encountered most, it's really no one but you, Mike & Byron want to or will trade with me. That's partly my own doing because certain fighters aren't available for trade, but I do have other fighters that are actually good that would help teams out if they'd just inquire about them too. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 21, 2015 14:27:12 GMT -5
I cannot speak for 1-2 seasons ago. I can only see what we have now. Our current numbers, as of this post, are as follows:
FW - 33
BW - 30
HW - 44
LW - 42
MW - 41
I am guessing 35-38 in each weight class might be ideal.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Dec 21, 2015 14:37:35 GMT -5
I cannot speak for 1-2 seasons ago. I can only see what we have now. Our current numbers, as of this post, are as follows: FW - 33 BW - 30 HW - 44 LW - 42 MW - 41 I am guessing 35-38 in each weight class might be ideal. You've also got to remember that, as I mentioned, there are actually teams that really do only have 1 or 2 fighters in some weight classes too and that is actually about where the ratio should be, even by men vs. women too, honestly. |
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a coherent statement from Cannon. 
