Coaches

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 9:04:55 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 8:59:51 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

What Rocketmen is suggesting, I'd never use... Cuz I'd rather spend 10 points on my fighters than waste them to upgrade a coach that you only get an upgrade of one stat with at each level.

But that's what I'm getting at. I would rather introduce something with mild benefits to allow folks to have different upgrading strategies. If I don't want to utilize my coach, that's my prerogative, whereas someone else might want that and could.

I don't think having a blanket "everyone gets better" is good to have, cause we could just as easily just give everyone 20 points and say "have fun".

You're making it too expensive with little to no benefit to anyone's team at all. Oooo... I wasted 10 points to get one stat upgrade... No thanks. I get more value out of those 10 points allocating them myself.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Oct 5, 2016 9:12:59 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Oct 5, 2016 9:04:55 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

But that's what I'm getting at. I would rather introduce something with mild benefits to allow folks to have different upgrading strategies. If I don't want to utilize my coach, that's my prerogative, whereas someone else might want that and could.

I don't think having a blanket "everyone gets better" is good to have, cause we could just as easily just give everyone 20 points and say "have fun".

You're making it too expensive with little to no benefit to anyone's team at all. Oooo... I wasted 10 points to get one stat upgrade... No thanks. I get more value out of those 10 points allocating them myself.

This is just a rough draft of ideas.... nothing is final yet. I am sure they would make it so we aren't getting fucked in the ass.

[The Sandmen]

And if you felt you were, you would be free not to use it.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions for how you would like to see it work, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club?

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 9:08:50 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

I think everyone should get 20 points for Christmas. Then Rocketmen could say "Have fun," to everyone.

New contender for "Most Useless Post in this Thread". Stay on topic - this suggestion has enough problems to sort through without you sidetracking things like some sort of ADHD teenager.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Oct 5, 2016 9:23:16 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 9:08:50 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

I think everyone should get 20 points for Christmas. Then Rocketmen could say "Have fun," to everyone.

New contender for "Most Useless Post in this Thread". Stay on topic - this suggestion has enough problems to sort through without you sidetracking things like some sort of ADHD teenager.

Ok, sorry lol

[The Sandmen]

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 9:19:29 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

And if you felt you were, you would be free not to use it.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions for how you would like to see it work, xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club?

No, I really don't on this one, cuz I'm not really in favor of it at all. We have training camps still (I think) and with the structures I've seen, thus far, they're either too expensive just to have the 'prestige' of having a coach with very little benefit to your team OR it's not time effective for you, as the simmer, cuz you've gotta spend the time to put those attributes in (or taking them out with one of the suggestions) and I'd, personally, rather see cards and 'coach' my fighters myself if there's going to be little to no benefit in having a coach in the first place.

[The Rocketmen]

Honestly, I hate the training camps. They remove your fighter from their next available fight for 1 stat point, and I don't care for it, BUT it's existed even then I basically never use it, but because it benefits others and they find it useful, that's fine.

But, as I said, spending 10 points to get 12 back, I think is a good enough incentive, or something along those lines. Spending 30 points to get 5 points per season, would take a year and a half to see dividends, and after that it's a bonus, but yeah, I don't know.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

My only issue with the training camps, ever, was that your fighter misses a fight even if you didn't receive the point cuz he was maxed already. I do still find them useful when you do receive the point though.

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 8:15:18 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

- Buy a real-name coach for like...10=15 points, at the end of every full season he is on your team, he earns you 3-5 points to be used however you want, on whomever you want.

The more I think on it, the more I think I like this. You can choose to buy a real coach, or not. Maybe the cost affects the name available and the seasonal pay-outs (So Greg Jackson might cost you like, 12 points, but give your team 6 bonus points every off-season, whereas Edmond could cost 4 point and give you 1 point every season (numbers and details to be worked out later, obviously). The points would be relatively small, but permanent - I don't have to remove any points or anything. It's also clean and simple. Especially if we only allow coach movement in the off-season (though I don't know if that would be necessary). I was thinking we might need to make a "coach needs to be with team for X number of events, but if payout is at the end of the season, the coach would be with the team for at least 4 events anyways because of our trade deadline, so it's all built-in.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Well... You seem dead set on doing this now anyways, so I'm just gonna bow out of this now since any objection is going to fall on deaf ears at this point.

I don't see this as needed or warranted at all, and with the expense of which it looks like you're going to make these 'coaches', saving points for 5-6 weeks, on average, just to get a few extra points at the end of the season (and not even close to the points you spent), it'll take 2-3 season's (or more) to make it even worth the purchase. Not only that, but teams like yours (The Sandmen), under the new points system, that are always at a surplus more often than not, gives them an unfair advantage on top of already having point surpluses. I mean, isn't this exact type of thing that we were trying to prevent in reverting to the new points system? Now you're you're to suggest going back to giving teams advantages... That seems backwards to me.

Therefore, teams are better off allocating their points themselves as accumulated. If you want to 'hire' coaches for fun, fill your boots. I just don't see this as a good thing league when we just got everything even again. Just my opinion.

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Well... You seem dead set on doing this now anyways, so I'm just gonna bow out of this now since any objection is going to fall on deaf ears at this point.

You have not objected. You said you would not use it. You have not presented any reasons why you think it is league-breaking, or a detriment to people other than those who CHOOSE to use it. If it's terrible, and people choose something terrible, it doesn't hurt the league. If you know of reasons it would harm the league, please express those reasons for the discussion. As your opinion sits now, though, you say it just doesn't make sense for a team to do. Others might be interested in doing it, but since it would have no impact on those who choose not to partake, I don't know if I see the problem. Is there one?

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Not only that, but teams like yours (The Sandmen), under the new points system, that are always at a surplus more often than not, gives them an unfair advantage on top of already having point surpluses. I mean, isn't this exact type of thing that we were trying to prevent in reverting to the new points system? Now you're you're to suggest going back to giving teams advantages... That seems backwards to me.

? I get the same number of points a week as you, and everyone else (except Mike, because he wins predictions like a jackrabbit on steroids).

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 10:20:55 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Well... You seem dead set on doing this now anyways, so I'm just gonna bow out of this now since any objection is going to fall on deaf ears at this point.

You have not objected. You said you would not use it. You have not presented any reasons why you think it is league-breaking, or a detriment to people other than those who CHOOSE to use it. If it's terrible, and people choose something terrible, it doesn't hurt the league. If you know of reasons it would harm the league, please express those reasons for the discussion. As your opinion sits now, though, you say it just doesn't make sense for a team to do. Others might be interested in doing it, but since it would have no impact on those who choose not to partake, I don't know if I see the problem. Is there one?

No... I am 100% opposed to it. I said so when I said I wasn't in favor of it and I also added why above. No doubt you'll find some BS way to twist my words around again or justify it. So, I really don't care at this point... You're obviously short-sighted on the affect that it would have on teams that don't partake or can't cuz they actually upgrade their fighters regularly. So it doesn't matter at this point... Any objection made you're not going to listen to or even validate because you've already got it in your head that you're going to do it no matter what anyone says. So there's no point in arguing it at all.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 10:31:41 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Not only that, but teams like yours (The Sandmen), under the new points system, that are always at a surplus more often than not, gives them an unfair advantage on top of already having point surpluses. I mean, isn't this exact type of thing that we were trying to prevent in reverting to the new points system? Now you're you're to suggest going back to giving teams advantages... That seems backwards to me.

? I get the same number of points a week as you, and everyone else (except Mike, because he wins predictions like a jackrabbit on steroids).

That's not the point at all. The fact is that you've generally got 10+ points all the time... Picking up a 10-12 point coach for your team is going to be a drop in the bucket compared to teams that actually upgrade their fighters consistantly.

But as I said, I'm done with this debate because you've already got it in your head you're going to do it, so anything I say at this point is a waste of my time.