Coaches

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 10:39:20 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

That's not the point at all. The fact is that you've generally got 10+ points all the time... Picking up a 10-12 point coach for your team is going to be a drop in the bucket compared to teams that actually upgrade their fighters consistantly.

But as I said, I'm done with this debate because you've already got it in your head you're going to do it, so anything I say at this point is a waste of my time.

You are done with this debate because you realized you are talking complete nonsense.

It's not your cup of tea - great, noted. But to pretend there is somehow some sort of inherent, pre-existing advantage some teams will have over others just because of it's implementation is asinine.

If I have 10+ points, it's because I didn't spend any for 5+ weeks. You spend your points, I save them until I know what I am doing...then I spend them. What the hell is the difference? We both get the same number of points. Other teams (like Ferocity) have saved far more points than I ever have. You are saying the ability to save points is somehow an advantage to others you are incapable of partaking in?

(And this is all forgetting the fact that you are assuming I have interest in paying points for a coach to begin with, which, to be honest, I have not even thought about at this point, since I'm trying to get the suggestion sorted out for the site.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 10:44:09 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 10:39:20 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

That's not the point at all. The fact is that you've generally got 10+ points all the time... Picking up a 10-12 point coach for your team is going to be a drop in the bucket compared to teams that actually upgrade their fighters consistantly.

But as I said, I'm done with this debate because you've already got it in your head you're going to do it, so anything I say at this point is a waste of my time.

You are done with this debate because you realized you are talking complete nonsense.

If I have 10+ points, it's because I didn't spend any for 5+ weeks. You spend your points, I save them until I know what I am doing...then I spend them. What the hell is the difference? We both get the same number of points. Other teams (like Ferocity) have saved far more points than I ever have. You are saying the ability to save points is somehow an advantage to others you are incapable of partaking in?

(And this is all forgetting the fact that you are assuming I have interest in paying points for a coach to begin with, which, to be honest, I have not even thought about at this point, since I'm trying to get the suggestion sorted out for the site.

No, I said explicitly why I was done with this debate... And I even called that you'd pull your word twisting, put words in my mouth and completely ignore anything valid because you're set on doing this. So, no... Nothing I've said here is nonsense. You just refuse to hear anything that's not in agreement with what you want... As usual.

[The Sandmen]

You said:
1) You think it's stupid because it is a waste to spend points on a coach when you could spend them on fighters.
2) You then said it would create an unfair advantage for people who save points, and named me specifically.

What part of any of that did I get wrong? Please clarify so we can continue finding the best solution to the problem you have with this suggestion.

(Also, I guess you missed the part where this was not my suggestion, so you are again assuming it is "something I would want". You should really stop making all these assumptions. You know what they say about assuming...)

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Oh oh.... pick me... I know this! Can I answer it The Sandmen???

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 11:05:25 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

Oh oh.... pick me... I know this! Can I answer it The Sandmen???

If it will make you happy, sure. I aim to please.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Don't assume because it makes an ass out of u and me! HA

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 10:58:40 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

You said:
1) You think it's stupid because it is a waste to spend points on a coach when you could spend them on fighters.
2) You then said it would create an unfair advantage for people who save points, and named me specifically.

What part of any of that did I get wrong? Please clarify so we can continue finding the best solution to the problem you have with this suggestion.

(Also, I guess you missed the part where this was not my suggestion, so you are again assuming it is "something I would want". You should really stop making all these assumptions. You know what they say about assuming...)

1) At no time did I say it was 'stupid'... Again, putting words in my mouth that I did not say to try an further your point. Stick to the facts.
2) I named you specfically as an example of teams that surplus points and don't upgrade their fighters regularly. It wasn't a call out nor was I trying to make it personal. You are just simply a team that consistantly has excess of 10 points most of the time. That's all... If you chose to take that personally, sorry, that wasn't the intent.

To clairify, I believe that this suggestion, of adding coaches, discourages the upgrading of fighters, for what really amounts to a novelty. It gives an unfair advantage to teams that don't, or don't have to, upgrade their fighters regularly.

I'm not assuming anything Justin. It may not be your suggestion, but you posted it and appear to onboard, and set, to put it into place in some form. There's no assumption there on my part whatsoever.

[The Rocketmen]

Great, we're back to the "I didn't specifically say cheating, but I was totally talking about cheating" word dialect debate.

Let's also re-discuss the spelling of honours, shall we?

[The Rocketmen]

Oct 5, 2016 11:22:21 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

To clairify, I believe that this suggestion, of adding coaches, discourages the upgrading of fighters, for what really amounts to a novelty. It gives an unfair advantage to teams that don't, or don't have to, upgrade their fighters regularly.

Forget literally everything else.

This part that is bolded. Elaborate. You're saying "it's an unfair advantage" which is on the lines of "cheating the system" but you haven't explained HOW it's an unfair advantage. Until you do, no one can agree with you.

Please tell me how, as I might have missed something important that needs to be considered. If you reply that I am just being a dick or sucking off Justin because he's participated in the same thread, I'm going to ignore it. But if you're not willing to explain anything, then stop being a pessimist?

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 11:38:06 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 11:22:21 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

To clairify, I believe that this suggestion, of adding coaches, discourages the upgrading of fighters, for what really amounts to a novelty. It gives an unfair advantage to teams that don't, or don't have to, upgrade their fighters regularly.

Forget literally everything else.

This part that is bolded. Elaborate. You're saying "it's an unfair advantage" which is on the lines of "cheating the system" but you haven't explained HOW it's an unfair advantage. Until you do, no one can agree with you.

Please tell me how, as I might have missed something important that needs to be considered. If you reply that I am just being a dick or sucking off Justin because he's participated in the same thread, I'm going to ignore it. But if you're not willing to explain anything, then stop being a pessimist?

Nah.. You're knee pads aren't out yet. You're kool. :-P lol

All joking aside though, it's actually pretty simple Mike. What I meant by that is that is that it gives an unfair advantage to teams that don't (or don't have to) upgrade their fighters, is just that at face value.

Teams that don't, like Cannon has in the past with his only upgrading of women, for example. It promotes and rewards that inactivity by basically giving them a free pass to upgrade no one and just buy a coach.

Tranversely, the ones that don't have to, cuz their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, for exexample... OR teams like Sandmen, that don't care much to cuz always near the top and he's the simmer... They can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team, standing or both, and pick up a coach for what amounts to next to nothing cuz they usually have a point surplus, and get even further of an advantage over and above their already stacked roster or upgrading isn't that big of deal.

Meanwhile, the teams that still have to work harder to maintain their standing by consistantly upgrading their fighters, like Conquistadors, Dozers, myself, GAP, etc., instead of having the luxury of being able to stockpile points, if they care enough, then they're not even going to be able to touch getting a coach that's any good at all without sacrificing 5-6 weeks of uprgrades that could, and would, help them more than obtaining a coach.

To me, it just creates an imbalance again, that we supposedly just rectified, all to give folks a novelty that we really don't need right now.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Oct 5, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Oct 5, 2016 11:38:06 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

Forget literally everything else.

This part that is bolded. Elaborate. You're saying "it's an unfair advantage" which is on the lines of "cheating the system" but you haven't explained HOW it's an unfair advantage. Until you do, no one can agree with you.

Please tell me how, as I might have missed something important that needs to be considered. If you reply that I am just being a dick or sucking off Justin because he's participated in the same thread, I'm going to ignore it. But if you're not willing to explain anything, then stop being a pessimist?

Nah.. You're knee pads aren't out yet. You're kool. :-P lol

All joking aside though, it's actually pretty simple Mike. What I meant by that is that is that it gives an unfair advantage to teams that don't (or don't have to) upgrade their fighters, is just that at face value.

Teams that don't, like Cannon has in the past with his only upgrading of women, for example. It promotes and rewards that inactivity by basically giving them a free pass to upgrade no one and just buy a coach.

Tranversely, the ones that don't have to, cuz their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, for example, can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team or standing, and pick up a coach for what amounts to next to nothing cuz they usually have a point surplus, get even further of an advantage over and above their already stacked roster.

Meanwhile, the teams that still have to work harder to maintain their standing by consistantly upgrading their fighters, instead of having the luxury of being able to stockpile points, if they care enough, then they're not even going to be able to touch getting a coach that's any good at all without sacrificing 5-6 weeks of uprgrades that could, and would, help them more than obtaining a coach.

To me, it just creates an imbalance again, that we supposedly just rectified, all to give folks a novelty that we don't need right now.

Honestly I understand what he is saying.... maybe the coaching idea is a bad idea.

[The Mighty Ducks]

Oct 5, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Tranversely, the ones that don't have to, cuz their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, for exexample... OR teams like Sandmen, that don't care much to cuz always near the top and he's the simmer... They can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team, standing or both, and pick up a coach for what amounts to next to nothing cuz they usually have a point surplus, and get even further of an advantage over and above their already stacked roster or upgrading isn't that big of deal.

so, what you're really saying is that your problem is that other people have better teams.

so the only way to fix the site (since it's clearly already broken by that logic) is to make everyone's fighters exactly the same rating and start over.

....

This is how i read your argument:

[The Mighty Ducks]

Oct 5, 2016 12:34:56 GMT -5 The Texas Rattlesnakes said:

Honestly I understand what he is saying.... maybe the coaching idea is a bad idea.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 12:40:57 GMT -5 The Mighty Ducks said:

Oct 5, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Tranversely, the ones that don't have to, cuz their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, for exexample... OR teams like Sandmen, that don't care much to cuz always near the top and he's the simmer... They can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team, standing or both, and pick up a coach for what amounts to next to nothing cuz they usually have a point surplus, and get even further of an advantage over and above their already stacked roster or upgrading isn't that big of deal.

so, what you're really saying is that your problem is that other people have better teams.

so the only way to fix the site (since it's clearly already broken by that logic) is to make everyone's fighters exactly the same rating and start over.

....

This is how i read your argument:

No. Not what I said at all... But thanks for playing.

[The Mighty Ducks]

Oct 5, 2016 12:40:57 GMT -5 The Mighty Ducks said:

so, what you're really saying is that your problem is that other people have better teams.

Oct 5, 2016 12:54:10 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

No. Not what I said at all... But thanks for playing.

Oct 5, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, Sandmen, that don't care much to cuz always near the top and he's the simmer... They can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team

...?