Coaches

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 13:08:39 GMT -5 The Mighty Ducks said:

Oct 5, 2016 12:40:57 GMT -5 The Mighty Ducks said:

so, what you're really saying is that your problem is that other people have better teams.

Oct 5, 2016 12:54:10 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

No. Not what I said at all... But thanks for playing.

Oct 5, 2016 12:11:04 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

their teams are already stacked, like Bullies, Sandmen, that don't care much to cuz always near the top and he's the simmer... They can just sit there and coast, not upgrading anyone, without hurting their team

...?

Yah ..and? They CAN do that. Key word there bud. Adding the coaches the ways that are being proposed here, rewards people for inactivity/not upgrading their fighters and also those that don't care to upgrade their fighters, all the while, the teams that do/need to upgrade their fighters, regularly, get left behind, and, effectively, get penalized somewhat for being proactive and upgrading their fighters. I don't find that to be fair at all.

So, what's your issue with that exactly? ...Other than being a troll.

[The Mighty Ducks]

You don't get things.

[The Rocketmen]

I don't see how blaming people for stock-piling versus spending their points is somehow an option. Given that the season has 3-4 weeks left, at that point, anyone could have enough points to buy a 10 point coach... I don't understand the problem?

[The Sandmen]

Oct 5, 2016 13:55:40 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Adding the coaches the ways that are being proposed here, rewards people for inactivity/not upgrading their fighters and also those that don't care to upgrade their fighters, all the while, the teams that do/need to upgrade their fighters, regularly, get left behind, and, effectively, get penalized somewhat for being proactive and upgrading their fighters. I don't find that to be fair at all.

Explain further.

WIth the one suggestion I think makes the most sense, it means that if I buy a coach, all I get is additional points spread out over time. That's not really rewarding people who don't use points, becuase they still will have points to use when the coaches dividends come through. It's like banking points with interest.

The other thing that really bothers me about the crux of your argument is the assumption you know which teams are "top" teams and whcih teams are "bottom" teams, since I'm pretty sure the actual standings are nothing like what you think they are.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 14:02:34 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

I don't see how blaming people for stock-piling versus spending their points is somehow an option. Given that the season has 3-4 weeks left, at that point, anyone could have enough points to buy a 10 point coach... I don't understand the problem?

Then you obviously didn't read anything, despite asking for clarification... Don't waste my time.

[The Rocketmen]

...you didn't clarify anything...

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 14:05:32 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Oct 5, 2016 13:55:40 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Adding the coaches the ways that are being proposed here, rewards people for inactivity/not upgrading their fighters and also those that don't care to upgrade their fighters, all the while, the teams that do/need to upgrade their fighters, regularly, get left behind, and, effectively, get penalized somewhat for being proactive and upgrading their fighters. I don't find that to be fair at all.

Explain further.

WIth the one suggestion I think makes the most sense, it means that if I buy a coach, all I get is additional points spread out over time. That's not really rewarding people who don't use points, becuase they still will have points to use when the coaches dividends come through. It's like banking points with interest.

The other thing that really bothers me about the crux of your argument is the assumption you know which teams are "top" teams and whcih teams are "bottom" teams, since I'm pretty sure the actual standings are nothing like what you think they are.

It is rewarding people for not using their points for what the points were designed to do; upgrade your fighters. They're just stockpiling points to buy a coach, and not all teams can afford to do that if they want, or actually care, to compete. There's not interest being gained there at all really.

That's not the crux of my arguement and if you'd actually read anything, instead of just what you want to read, you'd see that wasn't the crux of it at all. There's teams that care about upping their fighters and teams that don't as much; and you're in the latter because you don't care where place in the standings and you have enough good fighters that will carry you, even if you did. There's other teams just like that too. Then there are teams that pretty much have to upgrade their fighters constantly to stay in the game, if they care.

Again, there's no assumptions here on my part. The only assumptions being made are yours thinking, or trying to make it seem to others, that I'm saying things that I'm not. If you actually read things at face value rather than reading too much into them, and finding things that aren't there at all, you might actually understand something for a change.

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

Maybe coaches shouldn't be so crazy expensive and provide benefits early instead of the long run.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 14:09:37 GMT -5 The Rocketmen said:

...you didn't clarify anything...

That's cuz you don't read anything. I clarified it for you... Rattlesnakes understood what I was saying... What's wrong with you?

[The Mighty Ducks]

lol and the thread is destroyed

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

I feel like the site would have less conflict if we don't add coaches, but that's just me.

[The Sandmen]

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, what we could do then, to entirely solve the problem you have with coaches, is this:

- Introduce coaches at the draft.
- ANYONE can draft a coach at the draft if they want one (we will add a round to it)
- Any points spent on said coach will be paid back as earned like a loan.

This way, ANYONE who wants a coach can have one, the whole "people have to save points" is no longer an issue, and the whole "Not everyone can get a coach" is also not an issue. Does that solve the imbalance problem you have with this suggestion?

[xx - Former Bulldozers]

I leave for 2 hours and come back to a page of essays? Short form please?

[The Texas Rattlesnakes]

The short form is PHX doesn't like coaching idea, Sandmen asks why,PHX attempts to explain why, Sandmen points out why his explanation is incorrect, PHX gets angry and then the site has a bad vibe. But I do understand what PHX is saying.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Oct 5, 2016 15:21:44 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club, what we could do then, to entirely solve the problem you have with coaches, is this:

- Introduce coaches at the draft.
- ANYONE can draft a coach at the draft if they want one (we will add a round to it)
- Any points spent on said coach will be paid back as earned like a loan.

This way, ANYONE who wants a coach can have one, the whole "people have to save points" is no longer an issue, and the whole "Not everyone can get a coach" is also not an issue. Does that solve the imbalance problem you have with this suggestion?

No, it doesn't solve anything cuz you're indenturing teams to the league that want to participate, for starters, which I don't think is right at all. Second of all, still doesn't solve the problem of stockpiling points and discouraging proper fighter upgrades. Folks can just sit there and do nothing with their fighters and just upgrade their coach so that all their fighters get upgrades... Why bother upgrading your fighters individually when you can upgrade them all by dumping all your points into your coach?

You know, for someone that's so worried about folks finding loophholes in your rules, you sure make it easy for them to be found.

I'm with Rattlesnakes on this... I say no, don't do it.