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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 31, 2017 6:37:09 GMT -5
I feel like you guys are deaf. You have your own thoughts about how it should be and you dont listen or understand what other opinions are. Obviously im out numbered so do what you want. Cause no matter what i say you will do what you want anyways. I believe a champion is a champion.. and even though a sf champion is slightly different i still believe that a champion should represent his class. And we have rules about champions not being in the gp. I say keep it so champs are out. I started this conversation trying to be fair by finding a middle ground but that didnt work for you... so i took a step back and said no. You dont want to listen and i hate argueing so ill stop. Do what you want. I am not arguing with you, I am telling you the reasons why your is not convincing me. I feel like you are also deaf, because you keep repeating flawed logic that I felt like I already addressed. Like the class thing. SuperFight is not a weight class. Your logic is sound for every other weight class, but SuperFight is not a weightclass. Doing what I want IS finding a logical compromise, but I have a hard time when the compromise the other person is proposing involves rules that force a team's hand and options when it comes to their Grand Prix team. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 31, 2017 7:28:23 GMT -5
Agreed, especially with GAP's complaints that his team sucks and he isn't getting a belt on the team belts history thread.
This is an opportunity to get a chance and steal the SF belt as an added incentive of making it to the Grand Prix. People want to see belts get won, because it's exciting, so this is a way in which teams get a chance without having to wait an entire season of having their challenged fighter get a shot.
To be honest, this could end up being more exciting than the Grand Prix, or at the very least an incredible potential consolation prize.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 31, 2017 7:35:06 GMT -5
Moral: #EXCITING!
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 31, 2017 9:06:17 GMT -5
I feel like you guys are deaf. You have your own thoughts about how it should be and you dont listen or understand what other opinions are. Obviously im out numbered so do what you want. Cause no matter what i say you will do what you want anyways. I believe a champion is a champion.. and even though a sf champion is slightly different i still believe that a champion should represent his class. And we have rules about champions not being in the gp. I say keep it so champs are out. I started this conversation trying to be fair by finding a middle ground but that didnt work for you... so i took a step back and said no. You dont want to listen and i hate argueing so ill stop. Do what you want. I am not arguing with you, I am telling you the reasons why your is not convincing me. I feel like you are also deaf, because you keep repeating flawed logic that I felt like I already addressed. Like the class thing. SuperFight is not a weight class. Your logic is sound for every other weight class, but SuperFight is not a weightclass. Doing what I want IS finding a logical compromise, but I have a hard time when the compromise the other person is proposing involves rules that force a team's hand and options when it comes to their Grand Prix team. This is completely not true. Reread what i was saying. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 31, 2017 9:15:21 GMT -5
I did. You keep saying a champion should represent his weight class. SuperFight is not a weight class. Any male, at any weight, can challenge for it. It is not the Openweight championship. It is different, and my argument is it should be treated differently because of it.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 31, 2017 9:50:14 GMT -5
I did. You keep saying a champion should represent his weight class. SuperFight is not a weight class. Any male, at any weight, can challenge for it. It is not the Openweight championship. It is different, and my argument is it should be treated differently because of it. Superfight is not a weight class... but open weight class is.. as far as the gp is concerned. otherwise it should be called something else. A champion should represent his weight class and sf champ should represent Openweight class.. if this is not the case then sf champions should be banned from gp. The sf championship is different from other championships in who can challenge for it so if its a different thing then it should not have the same title as a champion. You could just be the sf trophy holder. Im saying the way it is there is not enough distintion differeniciating the differences. A champion is not allowed in gp. Sf champions are champions in name. My real arguement is just... is it fair to everyone that one team gets to have a champion on their gp team when nobody else can. The answer is no. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 31, 2017 12:03:02 GMT -5
My real arguement is just... is it fair to everyone that one team gets to have a champion on their gp team when nobody else can. The answer is no. You are looking at the SuperFight champion as a legit champion. I am not. WHen you look at the SuperFight champion, you see someone who has some sort of proven worth. I don't. So when I look at him, I see an opportunity to take that belt. I see the opportunity to have title changes. I certainly don't see it as some sort of advantage. The Superfight title has been defended, what, 3 times? Max? Something like that? It is a challenge belt. To win, you beat one guy. Regular belts, I agree with you - those are an advantage for sure. Those people are pretty much for sure the best in their weight class. Or at least among the best. So I agree, there is an advantage. I just don't agree that SuperFight title provides that same advantage, or any meaningful one at all, really. It's an extra fighter for GP teams, sure, so that helps, but it is also an extra opportunity to win a belt for teams that might have no shot at winning the GP. |
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Apr 1, 2017 2:07:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I have voiced an opinion on this yet, but I'll just do it now (again, maybe) so there's another voice:
From what I can see, SuperFight = Open Weight. I don't know why we're having a discussion about this. If the SF Champ is in the heavyweight class and is chosen as the HW representative, I see legitimately no problem in it. Same thing goes if the SF Champ is a Middleweight or Lightweight. They should be perfectly fine being a HW, MW, or LW choice. OW is for any male at any class.
But, as the SF title goes, I think it should be defended in every fight he's in. It would perhaps make for a god damn clusterfuck for the title history, but there's the possibility that the title changes hands three times during the Grand Prix. I think that adds a little more excitement to the SuperFight title, I don't know about you guys.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 1, 2017 2:40:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I have voiced an opinion on this yet, but I'll just do it now (again, maybe) so there's another voice: From what I can see, SuperFight = Open Weight. I don't know why we're having a discussion about this. If the SF Champ is in the heavyweight class and is chosen as the HW representative, I see legitimately no problem in it. Same thing goes if the SF Champ is a Middleweight or Lightweight. They should be perfectly fine being a HW, MW, or LW choice. OW is for any male at any class. But, as the SF title goes, I think it should be defended in every fight he's in. It would perhaps make for a god damn clusterfuck for the title history, but there's the possibility that the title changes hands three times during the Grand Prix. I think that adds a little more excitement to the SuperFight title, I don't know about you guys. ie. Like the old WWE Hardcore title? ...as if I wouldn't be in on that. 😜 lol |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Apr 1, 2017 3:07:31 GMT -5
Then i vote no. No champions in GP. Gp is to show which team can shine without champions. Letting in one champ is a slippery slope. Then we might aswell say all champions are welcome... no.. taking out champions imo evens the playing field for teams that dont have champions. Lets be fair. Keep all champions out of the gp. I thought if you allowed the sf champion to fight in the open weightclass then its kinda the same field as ghe challenges where anyone can win. But if you allow the sf champ to fight in hw only.. then only a hw can win it. Keep the sf championship to be defended as it was intended.. anyone can win it. Open weight class only or no gp entry. I am not saying you must do something with your fighter. I am giving them the option enter the gp as an open weightclass fighter to defend your title against whoever.. open challenge. OR you can sit out and not fight in the gp and cheer your team on. Your choice. Lets say Diego Sanchez is LW champion and we were discussing about having other champions in the gp. Then even though he is LW champ would you allow him to fight as a MW? Doesnt make sense... when you are champ you are fighting for the weight class where your belt is. \ just so u know my hw fighter is better than my ow fighter due to machida being the champ |
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Apr 1, 2017 3:09:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I have voiced an opinion on this yet, but I'll just do it now (again, maybe) so there's another voice: From what I can see, SuperFight = Open Weight. I don't know why we're having a discussion about this. If the SF Champ is in the heavyweight class and is chosen as the HW representative, I see legitimately no problem in it. Same thing goes if the SF Champ is a Middleweight or Lightweight. They should be perfectly fine being a HW, MW, or LW choice. OW is for any male at any class. But, as the SF title goes, I think it should be defended in every fight he's in. It would perhaps make for a god damn clusterfuck for the title history, but there's the possibility that the title changes hands three times during the Grand Prix. I think that adds a little more excitement to the SuperFight title, I don't know about you guys. ie. Like the old WWE Hardcore title? ...as if I wouldn't be in on that. 😜 lol BAH GAWD, HERE COMES KING MO WITH A CHAIR. HE'S KNOCKED OUT CRO COP, LOOKING TO FINISH THIS SUDDENLY SCHEDULED FIGHT AT CRO COP'S SON'S BIRTHDAY PARTY! |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Apr 1, 2017 4:29:19 GMT -5
yeah sf is fine plus think of the points with all the title changes they could have.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!