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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 2, 2013 16:26:33 GMT -5
April 3, 2012 card and date subject to change
Heavyweight Championship Anderson Silva (35-4) vs. Forrest Griffin (22-9) Women's Tournament Finals Gina Carano (24-4) vs. Rin Nakai (13-12) Lightweight Tournament Semi-Finals Jose Aldo (19-11) vs Dominick Cruz (19-9) Spencer Fisher (4-1) vs. Caol Uno (6-5) Middleweight Tournament Quarter-Finals Chael Sonnen (13-17) vs. Jon Fitch (14-10) Carlos Newton (7-7-1) vs. Jake Shields (9-12) Kazushi Sakuraba (14-14) vs. Dan Henderson (20-14-1) Josh Koscheck (20-9) vs. Ed Herman (6-9-1) Lightweight Bout Tyson Griffin (8-6) vs. Mac Danzig (8-7) Lightweight Bout Clay Guida (14-12) vs. Frankie Edgar (12-14) Heavyweight Bout Travis Browne (14-11) vs. Heath Herring (4-5) Heavyweight Bout Andrei Arlovski (15-11) vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (10-13) Heavyweight Bout Bobby Lashley (4-8) vs. Houston Alexander (14-14) Lightweight Bout Jonathan Brookins (1-2-1) vs. Manvel Gamburyan (1-3) Women's Bout Aisling Daly (3-6) vs. Miesha Tate (11-13)
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 2, 2013 16:30:45 GMT -5
I feel like since we switched to this tournament format, the cards have gotten a lot better. Like, maybe it's just me, (and the fact that every single fight means something now), but I find I'm more excited for each and every fight. Even though I still have the winners fight winners, losers fight losers type of structure going on, it feels different. I think it's because all it really takes is one win to get into the tournaments.
Seriously, I love it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2013 18:11:35 GMT -5
Anderson Silva Gina Carano Dominick Cruz Spencer Fisher Jon Fitch Jake Shields Dan Henderson Josh Koscheck Mac Danzig Clay Guida Travis Browne Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Houston Alexander Jonathan Brookins Miesha Tate
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2013 18:18:57 GMT -5
I feel like since we switched to this tournament format, the cards have gotten a lot better. Like, maybe it's just me, (and the fact that every single fight means something now), but I find I'm more excited for each and every fight. Even though I still have the winners fight winners, losers fight losers type of structure going on, it feels different. I think it's because all it really takes is one win to get into the tournaments. Seriously, I love it. I think it's just you. lol Cuz I'm still not convinced it's all that great. Not to be a downer, and I'm not mad, but it just seems like my fighters have been tossed into wolf toss fight after wolf toss fight this season; with a few notable exceptions, but even then, they lost when they probably should've won in a couple cases. It's not really that exciting for me at all. Just being honest.
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Apr 2, 2013 20:19:07 GMT -5
Anderson Silva
Gina Carano
Dominick Cruz Caol Uno
Jon Fitch Jake Shields Dan Henderson Josh Koscheck
Mac Danzig Clay Guida Travis Browne Andrei Arlovski Bobby Lashley Manny Gamburyan Miesha Tate
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 2, 2013 23:31:29 GMT -5
I think it's just you. lol Cuz I'm still not convinced it's all that great. Not to be a downer, and I'm not mad, but it just seems like my fighters have been tossed into wolf toss fight after wolf toss fight this season; with a few notable exceptions, but even then, they lost when they probably should've won in a couple cases. It's not really that exciting for me at all. Just being honest. But the thing is, and I am just giving you my honest opinion, is it's because you have a team of guys you like, not guys who are good. You've had your season or two of success because your guys were fighting people below them. Now they have fought those fights, won the winnable fights, and its time for them to move on to the real competition. That is why you are seeing a lot of your fighters drop like rocks - they don;t really belong here aside from the filler fights they were fighting before. Now that wins mean they fight good or streaking opponents, they are dying. Hard. I am also curious where you see this trend of "wolf toss fight, after wolf toss fight". Since I started the new format, the closest I found was Julia Budd vs. Megumi Fujii, and you told me before Budd had what it took to beat Fujii. And Fujii has never been upgraded, whereas I believe Budd has. Every other fight was a regular match-making fight that was in no way affected by this new tournament format. Now, looking at THIS card, if you think Ed Herman vs. Josh Koscheck is a wolf-toss fight, I have other fighters I will GLADLY put into the tournament in Herman's place. Just figured I would give your team some representation and a chance at a title. But seriously, let me know ASAP, cause there are like 4 other guys that can be in there for this card if you don;t think Herman is in the same league as the tournament fighters.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 3, 2013 2:29:10 GMT -5
But the thing is, and I am just giving you my honest opinion, is it's because you have a team of guys you like, not guys who are good. ...they don;t really belong here aside from the filler fights they were fighting before. Then maybe I should quit if I don't belong here. You set up the rules as to have ANY fighter that has a professional MMA fight then turn around and say they don't belong here?! Do you not see how that condradicts yourself? I am also curious where you see this trend of "wolf toss fight, after wolf toss fight". Since I started the new format, the closest I found was Julia Budd vs. Megumi Fujii, and you told me before Budd had what it took to beat Fujii. And Fujii has never been upgraded, whereas I believe Budd has. Every other fight was a regular match-making fight that was in no way affected by this new tournament format. 1) Megumi's obviously been created better than she should be then. And the only reason I say that is because, based on the things that you've told me as creation criteria, she shouldn't be much better, if any better, than most of my females since she's fought all those "nobodies" you're always preaching to me about but yet she's some sort of superstar? And spare me telling me that she hasn't. lol I looked at her opponents before the Budd fight. She's fought no one significant really in terms of who's in ManMMA or even remotely known anywhere but Japan; Exceptions being Zoila... and Jessica Aguilar (who amounted to nothing here). Fujii should not be as good as she is. 2) Wolf Tosses this season: ManMMA 122: Josh Koscheck vs. Jason MacDonald ManMMA 124: Mac Danzig vs. Jose Aldo ManMMA 125: Shinya Aoki vs. Mike Brown ManMMA 129: Josh Koscheck vs. Ed Herman Sylvia got kinda lucky against Browne cuz in his next fight, what happened? lol He go obliterated by CroCop. Both were effectively wolf tosses but WAY less so than the ones listed above. Now, looking at THIS card, if you think Ed Herman vs. Josh Koscheck is a wolf-toss fight, I have other fighters I will GLADLY put into the tournament in Herman's place. Just figured I would give your team some representation and a chance at a title. But seriously, let me know ASAP, cause there are like 4 other guys that can be in there for this card if you don;t think Herman is in the same league as the tournament fighters. It has nothing to do with whether he's in their league or not; it just makes no sense to be tossing Herman in there against Koscheck. You say it like you're doing me some sort of a favor but in reality, Herman has no prayer of beating Koscheck; he's already fought twice this season - most recently at 127 (2 cards ago) - and Kampmann's fought once this season. You do the math. I appreciate you trying to get guys in there to represent, but this isn't a favor... In this case, it's a wolf toss and doesn't allow Herman to build anything of the win he just got... just toss him in against Koscheck so he can lose again. lol Real smooth. Sorry... but it just gets discouraging losing EVERY fight, almost... and you're the only one that I can say it to, cuz you book the damn things.
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 3, 2013 15:18:49 GMT -5
1) Megumi Fujii was considered the best female fighter in the world, pound for pound, when we started the women's division here on ManMMA. I used about 8-9 different ranking sites, and she came out on top on every single one of them. One or two may have had Cyborg, but Megumi was always in the top 2. Always.
2) 122 - both guys were on 3 fight win streaks. at that point, you need to fight good guys. 124 - both guys on 2 fight win streak - again, winners fight winners. 125 - What makes you think Aoki and Brown are not in the same league??? Both have VERY similar win percentages. 129 - tournament fight - fights randomized. Sylvia - tournament, randomized order again. Also, he beat Browne...that showed he deserved to be in there against pretty much any guy in there.
Again, Koscheck - Herman is a tournament fight, it's randomized, and starting with the most UN-recent fighters, all the winners are entered down until the tournament is filled. Herman fought recently, but no one else (aside from Royce Gracie) won as unrecently as him. I think putting Royce Gracie in here, with his 5-100 record would be a bigger mismatch than Herman. After Gracie, I am putting guys in who fought at 128. So...yeah. Herman made the most sense for many reasons. Koscheck was just a shit draw, but someone had to fight him.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Apr 3, 2013 15:29:18 GMT -5
Anderson Silva Gina Carano Dominick Cruz Spencer Fisher Jon Fitch Jake Shields Dan Henderson Josh Koscheck Tyson Griffin Clay Guida Travis Browne Andrei Arlovski Houston Alexander Jonathan Brookins Miesha Tate
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 3, 2013 15:40:07 GMT -5
Anderson Silva
Gina Carano
Dominick Cruz Spencer Fisher
Jon Fitch Carlos Newton Dan Henderson Josh Koscheck
Mac Danzig Frankie Edgar Travis Browne Andrei Arlovski Houston Alexander Manvel Gamburyan Miesha Tate
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Apr 4, 2013 20:10:01 GMT -5
Anderson Silva' Gina Carano Dominick Cruz Spencer Fisher Jon Fitch Jake Shield Dan Henderson Josh Koscheck Tyson Griffin Ckay Guida Travis Browne Andrei Arlovski Houston Alexander Jonathan Brookins Miesha Tate
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 4, 2013 20:18:09 GMT -5
Cannon, this was already simmed, thats why it's in completed events.
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