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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 9, 2014 14:03:38 GMT -5
OBJECTION! Since i finished in dead last, I should have the oppurtunity of having 5 straight picks in the first round. nope cause i was in last place for 2 consecutive seasons... i didn't get anything like that so you dont either
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 9, 2014 14:37:00 GMT -5
I kind of like how the GP determines the remaining draft order. It's our year end event that's supposed to mean something. In my opinion, if we change it to a season standing senario to determine the draft order, it kind of diminishes the value and the interest in the GP in that the consolation for losing in the GP is a higher draft pick. Sounds to me like this is another senario where you're just going to do what you want anyways though based on the "Or when we do it" comment. So what does it matter? I was listening to and valuing your opinion here until it turned whiney at the end. Then I stopped caring about everything you had me caring about in your previous sentences. Very unfortunate. You might want to work on that. (and don't just reply to this with more whining, you had your say, time to let others voice theirs) Anyone else? There was no whining there; it's simply a fact, regardless how you felt it ended. You can't discount anyone's opinion on this because of personal feeling, that shows bias. All it was, was an opinion. I'm sorry if you didn't appreciate the sentiment at the end of it, but it really does/did seem like this was just more of a notification than actually asking what people thought about it. In my opinion, this diminishes the value of the GP. If you can come up with something to recoup that value lost, then fine, but my contention is that it should stay as it is because I don't feel that upsets happen enough in the GP to warrant a change; the stronger teams are the stronger teams and the weaker teams are the weaker ones. Just look at the GP winners: Season 2 Winner: HammerFists/RocketMen (Runner Up: West Coast KO's) - Teams Eliminated: Gorilla-Bear (1st Rnd), Bullies (1st Rnd), Ramrod (1st Rnd), NFLD Rock (1st Rnd), Minute Men (2nd Rnd), Nightmare (Sandmen?) (2nd Rnd) Season 3 Winner: GrappleMuch? (Runner Up: Ferocity) - Teams Eliminated: Hammerfists/RocketMen (1st Rnd), Phoenix FC (1st Rnd), Byron (1st Rnd), Ramrod(1st Rnd), Minute Men (2nd Rnd), West Coast KO's (2nd Rnd) Season 4 Winner: West Coast KO's (Runner Up: The Sandmen)- Teams Eliminated: Ramrod (1st Rnd), GAP (1st Rnd), Ferocity (1st Rnd), HammerFists/RocketMen (1st Rnd), Byron (2nd Rnd), Ducks (2nd Rnd) Season 5 Winner: GrappleMuch? (Runner Up: The Sandmen)- Teams Eliminated: GAP (1st Rnd), HammerFists/RocketMen (1st Rnd), Ferocity (1st Rnd), Byron (1st Rnd), Cannon (2nd Rnd), Ramrod (2nd Rnd) Season 6 Winner: GrappleMuch? (Runner Up: The Sandmen)- Teams Eliminated: Rebel Storm (1st Rnd), Ramrod (1st Rnd), West Coast KO's (1st Rnd), HammerFists/RocketMen (1st Rnd), Phoenix FC (2nd Rnd), Cannon (2nd Rnd) Season 7 Winner: The Sandmen (Runner Up: Cannon)- Teams Eliminated: UnderDogs (1st Rnd), GrappleMuch? (1st Rnd; upset by KO's), HammerFists/RocketMen (1st Rnd), Byron (1st Rnd), West Coast KO's (2nd Rnd), Ferocity (2nd Rnd) Season 8 Winner: Ferocity (Runner Up: The Sandmen)- Teams Eliminated: Phoenix FC (1st Rnd), Ramrod (1st Rnd), Rebel Storm (1st Rnd), UnderDogs (1st Rnd), Cannon (2nd Rnd), West Coast KO's (2nd Rnd) Season 9 Winner: **Team 3lite (Runner Up: Cannon)- Teams Eliminated: Ferocity (1st Rnd; upset by KO's), The Sandmen (1st Rnd; weaker line up due to holding 3 of the 4 titles), UnderDogs (1st Rnd), Rebel Storm (1st Rnd), West Coast KO's (2nd Rnd), RocketMen (2nd Rnd) **Denotes Team 3lite being a 1st year team, having a super list to select a team from due to Ramrod's departure, then quit last off-season.Do you see a trend up there? There's only been a small handful of major upsets and they've all happened within the last 3 seasons. Also, most of the same teams are at the top, qualify for the GP and are being eliminated in the GP at the same point with a few smatterings of new teams getting in. To me, this says that the league is growing into itself finally, but to change the format for this now would be a step backwards at this point IMO.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 9, 2014 16:57:31 GMT -5
I don't feel that upsets happen enough in the GP to warrant a change; the stronger teams are the stronger teams and the weaker teams are the weaker ones. This is most of my point. The order rarely changes anyways, so why not speed the draft up by about a week? When 75% of the league takes points anyways, we're looking at 3-4 draft positions, really. Watching the last 10 drafts, and especially the last one where you could have a free player and people were STILL taking the point over a fighter, the draft is just for those who care about it. And there aren't enough who care to really warrent slowing it down by a week when those positions are not changed in any meaningful way, as you have said.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Feb 9, 2014 17:17:20 GMT -5
I'm fine with whatever because I don't give a shit about the drafts.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 9, 2014 18:53:55 GMT -5
We'll give this a try and see if it actually affects draft speed in practice as much as I believe it will in theory.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 9, 2014 19:04:59 GMT -5
I kind of like how the GP determines the remaining draft order. It's our year end event that's supposed to mean something. In my opinion, if we change it to a season standing senario to determine the draft order, it kind of diminishes the value and the interest in the GP in that the consolation for losing in the GP is a higher draft pick. Sounds to me like this is another senario where you're just going to do what you want anyways though based on the "Or when we do it" comment. So what does it matter? you could also thro he gp with shitty fighters. ur not even in gp this year anyway aren't you last place?
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Feb 9, 2014 19:07:47 GMT -5
wow runner up twie I will probably be runner up again this season so that sucks
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 9, 2014 20:19:27 GMT -5
Kruze had more than ten words to say. Let's all go with whatever he said because I'm sure somewhere in there was the notion that everyone else is stupid. Hence all our answers must be stupid. If anyone agreed with Kruze, they too are stupid and their vote is reversed.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 9, 2014 21:22:19 GMT -5
I don't feel that upsets happen enough in the GP to warrant a change; the stronger teams are the stronger teams and the weaker teams are the weaker ones. This is most of my point. The order rarely changes anyways, so why not speed the draft up by about a week? When 75% of the league takes points anyways, we're looking at 3-4 draft positions, really. Watching the last 10 drafts, and especially the last one where you could have a free player and people were STILL taking the point over a fighter, the draft is just for those who care about it. And there aren't enough who care to really warrent slowing it down by a week when those positions are not changed in any meaningful way, as you have said. It's not slow at all as it is anyways, so I dunno what you're talking about when you say it slows it down by a week somehow; The draft here goes WAY faster than anywhere else. The way you're putting this now is that the draft is meaningless and so is the GP, so why have either then? That's rhetorical, and playing Devil's advocate a bit, but the essense of what you're saying is there. The order gets changed meaningfully enough for those in the GP and for those that do care about the draft. @ xx - Camp Cannon: No. Dogs got last place this year. @ The Rocketmen: No. Only your answers are stupid when you don't actually read things. Most of that above was showing the results of the previous GPs
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 9, 2014 21:32:56 GMT -5
I don't care? That's rhetorical.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 9, 2014 21:33:57 GMT -5
Anyways, back to everything being a fight again.
What's that? Something might change in the distant future?
Kruze is here to save the day!
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 9, 2014 22:30:01 GMT -5
Anyways, back to everything being a fight again. Sorry to disappoint you, but no one's fighting here but you bro. We were asked for our opinion on this issue. I gave mine and it wasn't understood completely, so I posted again with facts to clarify. I didn't come after you, nor did I even make an reference to you except to name you as a GP participant in previous years, but you still elected to take it upon yourself to be an asshole and make shit comment about me for some reason. That's your problem if you don't read things. I honestly don't care. But when you automatically assume that it's me bitching and start making ignorant, sarcastic and somewhat slanderous comments about it on my behalf, then expect me not to have some sort of response to that... that actually is pretty stupid dude and effectively trying to pick a fight with me when I wasn't fighting about anything in this thread. This is a discussion. If you wanna fight, go do it on the trash talk board... I hear Cannon wants to "fuck cock lesnar", I'm sure you could have a field day with that. So go bother him unless to actually have something intelligent to add to this thread. You're Welcome.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 10, 2014 9:00:43 GMT -5
You obviously don't see the irony that you got in a big argument because someone proposed something fun, then proposed something he thought would improve this but because you fear change the world ends. Maybe you're right, it's probably not a fight. Perhaps it's you expressing your fear.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 10, 2014 14:13:00 GMT -5
You obviously don't see the irony that you got in a big argument because someone proposed something fun, then proposed something he thought would improve this but because you fear change the world ends. Maybe you're right, it's probably not a fight. Perhaps it's you expressing your fear. There was no argument here either dude and no fear. An idea was posed; feedback and opinion was asked for and given. wtf is your problem?
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 10, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
I read that because it was less than the size of a John Grisham novel.
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