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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 26, 2014 16:27:21 GMT -5
Yah but they needed a good opponent for Taker at Mania that could plausibly be a threat to the streak. I think Brock was the right choice.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 26, 2014 16:29:16 GMT -5
If they built him up some, sure, but hasn't he been shredded by like, Cena, and Big Show (except for his fake-win at Rumble), and like...others? Isn't he bad meat? Isn't he stale bread? Isn't he rotten cheese?
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Feb 26, 2014 16:39:01 GMT -5
Yah they're kinda making Brock pay his dues all over again and putting folks over cuz of the huge push he got the first time around and he just left pretty abruptly. lol That shit pisses me off. Who the fuck cares about making a guy pay his dues? It only hurts the company in the end. Brock was a huge cross-over asset, and to bury him that quickly was LAME. This is how I felt about Chris Jericho in 2012. I'd rather have Jericho retire than see him lose to guys like cm punk over and over and over cause that's exactly what happened.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 26, 2014 17:07:13 GMT -5
Exactly. There is no point in bringing superstars back JUST to put new guys over. Screw the "code" or whatever the hell else you want to chalk this nonsense up to, and just focus on entertainment. No one wants to see legends come back just to get anally raped by notably inferior new guys just for the hell of it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 26, 2014 17:18:31 GMT -5
lol You guys make sound like Brock's been jobbing to nobodies. If he was jobbing to guys like 3MB, Santino Marella, Xavier Brooks or something, that'd be WAY different. I think you guys are mincing about nothing.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 26, 2014 17:19:38 GMT -5
Who has he lost to? Keeping in mind, Undertaker has never lost at Wrestlemania, so basically Brock losing to anyone diminishes the impact of him MAYBE beating UT at Mania (which we all know he is not going to be The Guy)
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Feb 26, 2014 17:34:59 GMT -5
Off hand, I donlt know the names, but the thing is that going up against Taker at Mania automatically puts you over, gives you a guaranteed Wrestlemania moment and likely puts you into position to be champion in fairly short order just like Punk, Edge etc. that went up against the streak, lost then became champion within the next calandar year. Thiss isn't a bad thing for Brock at all.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 26, 2014 18:56:41 GMT -5
You donno the names of who destroyed him, I donno the names of who destroyed him, no one does. They are, by that definition, no names. Yay, Brock gets the privilege of losing to Taker at Mania. That's lame.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Feb 26, 2014 21:43:51 GMT -5
You donno the names of who destroyed him, I donno the names of who destroyed him, no one does. They are, by that definition, no names. Yay, Brock gets the privilege of losing to Taker at Mania. That's lame. Brock Lesnar lost to cena at extreme rules at his return to WWE.(2012) -He then Beat Triple H at summerslam (2012) -lost to to triple H at wrestlemaina (2013) - beat triple H at extreme rules (2013) - beat CM Punk at Summerslam (2013) -beat big show at Royal Rumble (2014) And is now going to face undertaker at wrestlemaina where he is going to lose. Which makes him 4-2 so far in his return. He's a part timer too other wise he'd have more matches.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 26, 2014 22:21:33 GMT -5
So you have the best Wrestlemania fighter in the history of Wrestlemania fighting someone who is not better than Triple H, and is not better than John Cena. That'll make for a competitive draw.
Like, I mean come on. Diesel wasn't the guy. Sycho Sid wasn't the guy. Kane wasn't the guy. SHawn Micheals wasn't the guy. Triple H wasn't the guy. Ric Flair wasn't the guy...
Does anyone honestly think they are going to make Brock Lesnar the special guy that ends the streak? This is silly. At least with CM Punk last year there was the "Holy shit, what if they use this to put Punk way over" thing, but it wasn't.
What if they made Bryan the guy. That would be interesting.
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Feb 26, 2014 23:55:30 GMT -5
So you have the best Wrestlemania fighter in the history of Wrestlemania fighting someone who is not better than Triple H, and is not better than John Cena. That'll make for a competitive draw. Like, I mean come on. Diesel wasn't the guy. Sycho Sid wasn't the guy. Kane wasn't the guy. SHawn Micheals wasn't the guy. Triple H wasn't the guy. Ric Flair wasn't the guy... Does anyone honestly think they are going to make Brock Lesnar the special guy that ends the streak? This is silly. At least with CM Punk last year there was the "Holy shit, what if they use this to put Punk way over" thing, but it wasn't. What if they made Bryan the guy. That would be interesting. I doubt undertaker will ever lose to anyone. He should have just retired in 2012 when he went 20-0 but I think he should just retire after this year.
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 27, 2014 0:19:31 GMT -5
I agree. 20 was fine, get over it now.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 2, 2014 14:02:44 GMT -5
As long as he's still able to move, I'm sure he'll keep returning for Wrestlemanias and Survivor Series'... I mean shit, Hogan's 60 now and he still wrestles FFS lol
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 2, 2014 16:08:58 GMT -5
Hogan is a different kind of Wrestling icon though. He transcends wrestling and WWE. He IS wrestling. The Undertaker is just a guy they like and slapped a win streak on, then made a thing out of it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 2, 2014 17:18:36 GMT -5
I disagree. 'Taker is just as much of an icon in the world of wrestling as Hogan is, even more so being that he's been with the WWE the longest of anyone in history, minus Vince of course... but also that he's change, adapted and evolved his character and gimmick in each and every era from his debut to the present; you cannot really say the same about Hogan. Cuz despite his heel turn and foray with the nWo as Hollywood Hogan, he's never really changed his game much since the '80s whereas we've seen every facet of The Undertakerwe possibly could have, from the mysterious gravedigger, to cult leader of the Ministry, to Deadman Inc. (the biker), and back full circle to this current hybrid of the cult leader/mysterious Deadman... If you believe that 'Taker doesn't transcend wrestling or the WWE, you're delusional... cuz on a list of the greatest of all time, I'd definitely put 'Taker ahead of Hogan many times over, and I've been a Hulkamaniac since the '80s. There is simply no one like The Undertaker and there likely never will be again, but with Hogan, we've already seen John Cena step up and become this generations Hulk Hogan... Think about it.
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