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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Jul 6, 2014 14:31:18 GMT -5
With both Weidman and Rousey retaining their titles in this event, it's left me with 2 questions:
1. Is Cyborg the only challenge left for Rousey?
2. Can we consider Weidman as a legit champion now?
Please answer, and we can then argue and complain and threaten to fuck our mothers.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 6, 2014 23:18:37 GMT -5
1. no. I believe there are others out there that can beat rousey.. we just haven't seen it happen yet.
2. I believe weidman is a legit champion.. but give the haters 1 more title defence to prove it.
Now argue with me and i'll fuck your mother. lol
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 7, 2014 13:01:50 GMT -5
1. No. I still think Davis can, she just fucked up and underestimated Rousey's striking ability; which I did as well and you can't fuck up with Rousey. Until I saw the replay, I though Alexis was actually shooting for a takedown and got kneed in the head, but it was the pop to the temple that did it. :-/ If it would've lasted longer and Davis hadn't fucked up, I'm pretty sure Davis could hold her own in a full fight with Rousey. You're also forgetting about Cat Zingano, who's still the no.1 contender and is coming back soon. She'll be a threat aswell. I still believe Cyborg, Zingano & Davis (when she's flawless) are the only gals that coulod beat Rousey right now, P4P. The problem right now is that you have to be flawless to beat Rousey.
2. I already considered Weidman legit myself, but I agree with GAP that it'll probably take 1 or 2 more fights/wins against guys like Machida for the haters to catch up.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jul 7, 2014 13:44:57 GMT -5
I thought that Weidman didn't really have that big of a challenge considering how hesitant Lyoto's fighting style is. If the rumour is true and Weidman is indeed fighting Belfort next, and he walks through him, then yes, legitimacy.
But right now, his championship performances include:
1. Cockiness leading to KO. 2. Accidental broken leg. 3. Stand-up battle with a resistant counter-striker.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 7, 2014 14:49:25 GMT -5
1. Yes. I love her, but Davis was a complete joke opponent and the result proved how much of a joke fight that really was. Cat Zingano will be interesting, but Rousey has been training for the past year, and Cat has been broken, and dealing with serious personal shit. She will not be at her top form for a while, so I think she's missed the boat on this one. Rousey's too far gone for Cat to catch up any time soon.
2. Champion, yes. Legit P4P top 10? Absolutely not. He showed he can beat 2 top 5 fighters. I look forward to seeing the Vitor fight. If Vitor gets his shit in order, and if Weidman beats him without lay and pray, I'll consider him legiter.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 7, 2014 16:31:20 GMT -5
1. Yes. I love her, but Davis was a complete joke opponent and the result proved how much of a joke fight that really was. Cat Zingano will be interesting, but Rousey has been training for the past year, and Cat has been broken, and dealing with serious personal shit. She will not be at her top form for a while, so I think she's missed the boat on this one. Rousey's too far gone for Cat to catch up any time soon. You're kidding right? For as much as you are constantly singing Davis' praises all over hell's half acre, both on here and to me personally, saying that this was a "joke fight" and do a complete about-face from any stance you had previously is just bandwagon jumping. Did Davis fuck up? Yes, absolutely she did... but even the best fuck up sometimes (See Anderson Silva; 1st Weidman fight) Davis is still one of the best and most well-rounded fighters in the world, even Rousey said so herself when usually she's the blowhard saying that no one can beat her and no one is a challenge; that actually does tell you something. This'll just prove to be a learning experience for Davis in not underestimating any aspect of anyone's game. I think you're completely off-base saying it was a joke fight, from the standpoint of fighter vs. fighter, not the end result. Cuz the end result is the end result but if anyone is saying now that they predicted it would end in 16secs via KO is lying... we were all expecting a good throw down. Cat... well, we'll see. I know you don't like her cuz you believe she cheated to get her contender spot, and yes she's been dealing with personal shit, but that could be just the driving force to push her into that next gear... only time will tell that. I don't think she's missed the boat at all if she's been training as part of her grief coping. She could very well emerge stronger and better than ever.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 7, 2014 16:36:19 GMT -5
As I said, I love Davis, and would have loved for her to win. But I said from the very beginning this was a joke fight. All of Davis' strengths feed into Rousey's strengths, and her weaknesses feed into Rousey's strengths as well. As we saw, her brawl style was shredded by Rousey's improved technique. Further, it gave Rousey ample opportunity to take her down for the armbar. Rousey just KOed her before she got the armbar, haha.
Also, if you notice, every champion always says their current challenger is their toughest challenge. a) It sells fights, and b) it makes their victory seem impressive. We all know Rousey would take this one and take it easily. I mean, Christ, the odds were something like 8:1 for Ronda. Davis was out of this one the day it was made.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 7, 2014 17:34:31 GMT -5
As I said, I love Davis, and would have loved for her to win. But I said from the very beginning this was a joke fight. All of Davis' strengths feed into Rousey's strengths, and her weaknesses feed into Rousey's strengths as well. As we saw, her brawl style was shredded by Rousey's improved technique. Further, it gave Rousey ample opportunity to take her down for the armbar. Rousey just KOed her before she got the armbar, haha. Also, if you notice, every champion always says their current challenger is their toughest challenge. a) It sells fights, and b) it makes their victory seem impressive. We all know Rousey would take this one and take it easily. I mean, Christ, the odds were something like 8:1 for Ronda. Davis was out of this one the day it was made. I completely disagree with everything you just said there; everything. lol Davis made a mistake by not blocking that initial shot thinking Rousey's strikes were shit. That's the way I see that... and I don't blame her. Rousey, to that point, wasn't known for much for her striking ability at all. Rousey was in no position for the armbar either. She got one good lucky shot... and sometimes that's all it takes, but once she realized Davis was out, she went for a standard headlock takedown. At no point was that armbar even a thought since Davis' arms were wrapped around her waist and Ronda had hers around Alexis' neck. Had Davis not made that crucial mistake, we would've had a different fight entirely. It was a mistake and it cost her. That's it. All you're doing now is saying "Oh yah, I knew it. This was a joke fight" to save face for yourself. lol It's hilarious actually cuz if Davis had won you'd be saying the exactly opposite "knowing" Davis had this one in the bag. Cuz anyone that thought it would be THAT easy for Rousey is a moron or a fucking psychic. I don't give a shit what the bookies make the odds at, if Davis hadn't made that one error and got herself KO'd, I really believe she would've been too much for Rousey to handle. Rousey had to finish it quick or she was fucked. She knew it, and that's exactly what she did; whether it was a lucky shot or not, that is what she did. Pure and simple. Hats off to her for getting the shot in and finishing it quickly like she needed to, but I still believe that Davis is the better fighter that just had a bad outing.
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Jul 7, 2014 17:52:25 GMT -5
In all honesty, if Davis would have dodged that shot, I bet we'd be here with different stories.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 7, 2014 19:01:41 GMT -5
In all honesty, if Davis would have dodged that shot, I bet we'd be here with different stories. Yep. Agreed. I'm not saying Davis would have won 100% for sure, but based on track record and ability, Davis was the best shot... also the fact that she hasn't been KO'd in 7 years makes this even more of a surprise.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 7, 2014 22:09:15 GMT -5
If Davis dodged the punch, Rousey had her in the body lock, prepping the judo throw. From there, it was either the GnP, or the armbar.
Plus, a mistake is not some sort of non-loss. Davis lost. She was out. And not only did she lose, and not only was she unconscious, she was out in 16 seconds. If you want to start tossing out bullshit excuses, then McMann's figfht would have been different if she blocked the liver kick, Carmouche's would have been different if she defended the armbar, Belfort would have been Anderson if he didn;t get a kick to the face, like...at what point does denial become sad. A fight was fought between 2 people. One of them lost, lost definitively, and lost in under 20 seconds. If you want to go the Davis made a mistake route, so be it. Davis fucked up, Rousey didn't, Rousey won. Clean, clear, definitive. Davis was absolutely no threat to Rousey in that fight, and was annihilated. Time to move on and see how Cat loses to Rousey, and hope for a Cyborg signing before Rousey retires.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:12:48 GMT -5
MY CLIENT CHRIS WEIDMAN IS THE MOST LEGIT OF THE LEGIT
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 8, 2014 1:40:48 GMT -5
If Davis dodged the punch, Rousey had her in the body lock, prepping the judo throw. From there, it was either the GnP, or the armbar. Plus, a mistake is not some sort of non-loss. Davis lost. She was out. And not only did she lose, and not only was she unconscious, she was out in 16 seconds. If you want to start tossing out bullshit excuses, then McMann's figfht would have been different if she blocked the liver kick, Carmouche's would have been different if she defended the armbar, Belfort would have been Anderson if he didn;t get a kick to the face, like...at what point does denial become sad. A fight was fought between 2 people. One of them lost, lost definitively, and lost in under 20 seconds. If you want to go the Davis made a mistake route, so be it. Davis fucked up, Rousey didn't, Rousey won. Clean, clear, definitive. Davis was absolutely no threat to Rousey in that fight, and was annihilated. Time to move on and see how Cat loses to Rousey, and hope for a Cyborg signing before Rousey retires. I didn't say it was a non-loss... lol I said she fucked up. If Davis dodged the punch, Rousey didn't have the opportunity for the Judo throw at that point... What fight were you watching dude?
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 8, 2014 5:14:35 GMT -5
The Rousey fight. Just as I have seen all her fights, not just the Davis and D'Alelio ones. Davis was fucked from the start, and lost this in 16 seconds. There is no point in any immediate rematch here, as Davis proved far inferior to Rousey. Not much more to discuss here, as we're beating a dead horse. Rousey > Davis, as predicted.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 8, 2014 5:35:59 GMT -5
I thought davis would lose when this match was booked. BUT I hadn't seen anything to tell me that rousey would lose.. maybe I just don't know my female mma that well but I didn't see how davis would win. Since talking to kruzer earlier I actually watched the fight. If Davis had not gotten rocked by that punch then the throw was not there. BUT it also doesn't mean that Rousey wouldn't have done of something else to beat davis... there is a lot of well if this didn't happen then this could have happened that can be said.. all we can talk about was what DID happen. Rousey won. I hate it. but it happened. BUT I certainly would have liked a better fight than 16 seconds of shame.
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