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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 8, 2014 5:59:43 GMT -5
Watch Rousey vs. Kaufman. If Rousey wanted the throw, it was there. That's her major strength, and what makes her exceptional. She creates openings for her judo with her striking. She swarms in with punches, once her opponent starts to block high, she uses that position and shift in body weight (blocking high moves your centre of balance up, leaving your mid section slightly off-balance) to get the body lock then go for the judo throw takedown. IF she wanted to. She has been focusing on strikes, so she may have wanted to knock Davis out...which is what she did.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 8, 2014 14:19:14 GMT -5
The Rousey fight. Just as I have seen all her fights, not just the Davis and D'Alelio ones. Davis was fucked from the start, and lost this in 16 seconds. There is no point in any immediate rematch here, as Davis proved far inferior to Rousey. Not much more to discuss here, as we're beating a dead horse. Rousey > Davis, as predicted. First of all, don't kid yourself... I don't think I've seen ALL of Rousey's fights, but I've seen most of them... so don't be sitting there thinking I've only watched 2 of her fights, cuz I haven't; you gotta check out and see what all the hype is about... but that's the problem, all there is to Rousey is hype. If someone actually goes aggro on her right of the bat, instead of playing passive and play check/swing with here off the start, cuz everyone's scared of the hype, she won't know what to fucking do with herself. I 100% guarantee you that. She plays on folks fears cuz she's the current running "arm collector". Did she learn something new for this fight against Davis? Yes, absolutely she did... and I was impressed. But to say Davis is inferior to Rousey is a joke in itself. I do agree that there's no immediate rematch needed. (I dunno where you got that I was saying rematch cuz I didn't at all; troll perhaps? ) Lexy's gotta earn her way back up again because she fucked up. That's the way it works. It was a legitimate fuck up too, that Ronda took advantage of, legitimately... obviously. Ronda caught her clean in the temple cuz Davis didn't block it effectively, thinking Rousey's strikes were shit; as many of us thought prior to this fight. It happens... and that mistake won't be made again, by Alexis or anyone else now. Ronda's worked on her strikes... so she's no longer a 1 trick pony. And I say good for her, cuz it's about fucking time... but do I think she's a better fighter than Davis? Not on your life. lol If there was a battle, and I mean a BATTLE, where both were on their games... I guaran-damn-tee you... Davis would win that battle. Not just because she's more skilled, but Alexis Davis has more heart than Ronda Rousey will ever have in here life. Ronda took advantage of a 'ripe for the pickins' senario, which she's good at. She's a smart fighter and that's why she wins so much. Which is fine, but eventually she's going to get overconfident in a fight, do something bold/reckless and she's going to fuck herself over cuz she thinks she's "all that AND the bag of chips" but the reality is that she's human... she'll be defeated and it'll be because, either, she fucks herself up or someone just comes at her full force and she won't know what to do. But like GAP said... coulda, shoulda, woulda... if that head shot didn't happen, we'd be talking about a different fight entirely. Rousey made her shot and she won... but if you really think that Davis is inferior to Rousey because she messed up and lost this 1 fight, then really you are delusional.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 8, 2014 14:26:18 GMT -5
Watch Rousey vs. Kaufman. If Rousey wanted the throw, it was there. That's her major strength, and what makes her exceptional. She creates openings for her judo with her striking. She swarms in with punches, once her opponent starts to block high, she uses that position and shift in body weight (blocking high moves your centre of balance up, leaving your mid section slightly off-balance) to get the body lock then go for the judo throw takedown. IF she wanted to. She has been focusing on strikes, so she may have wanted to knock Davis out...which is what she did. I see what you're saying here, and you are correct about Rousey, BUT not in this particular instance with Davis. It was a chain... the only reason she got into the position for the judo takedown as she did was because she was able to land that initial head shot. If that doesn't happen... no position; no takedown. Period. Not at that point anyways. That's where you're 100% wrong.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2014 9:22:48 GMT -5
but that's the problem, all there is to Rousey is hype. This was true at a time, but if you hve seen all her fights, you know it is no longer true. Hype or not, she has now finished at least 4 of the top 10 women in the world. The women's Bantamweight division is light, but she is still the Jon Jones of that division, having completely destroyed everyone there without anyone giving her any legit problems other than a hold here, or a punch there. And she will be for a long time, pending a Zingano upset (which, as I said before, would still be a huge long shot).
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2014 12:03:27 GMT -5
but that's the problem, all there is to Rousey is hype. This was true at a time, but if you hve seen all her fights, you know it is no longer true. Hype or not, she has now finished at least 4 of the top 10 women in the world. The women's Bantamweight division is light, but she is still the Jon Jones of that division, having completely destroyed everyone there without anyone giving her any legit problems other than a hold here, or a punch there. And she will be for a long time, pending a Zingano upset (which, as I said before, would still be a huge long shot). We'll agree to disagree then cuz I still only see Rousey as hype. And don't mistake that for me saying she's shitty either, cuz she's not. She's improved allot and it's not that far fetch to say she's the Jon Jones of the division, but even Jon Jones has his problems with certain guys; there's a reason why Gusty's getting his rematch. I think Zingano is allot less of a long shot that you're giving her credit for. I know you don't like how she got her spot, but that still doesn't diminish the fact that she earned that spot by beating Tate and deserves to be there.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2014 12:12:13 GMT -5
I am over the whole Zingano thing. Tate got her rematch and her spot coaching on TUF just like she deserved, so that was justice served from the Zingano fight as far as I was concerned.
As for Rousey, the major difference between her and Jones at this point is she hasn't faced a whole opponent who was a problem. She was in problem SPOTS, but has not seemed as though she has had a problem with any woman they have put her up against. There is no more hype in terms of her in the UFC women's division. There is no one currently employed by the UFC who can beat her any time soon. That is my objective opinion, based on the progress I have seen with her skills. I don't love her, but even I have to admit, she is the best right now and could probably even take out Cyborg at this juncture.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2014 14:21:33 GMT -5
I am over the whole Zingano thing. Tate got her rematch and her spot coaching on TUF just like she deserved, so that was justice served from the Zingano fight as far as I was concerned. As for Rousey, the major difference between her and Jones at this point is she hasn't faced a whole opponent who was a problem. She was in problem SPOTS, but has not seemed as though she has had a problem with any woman they have put her up against. There is no more hype in terms of her in the UFC women's division. There is no one currently employed by the UFC who can beat her any time soon. That is my objective opinion, based on the progress I have seen with her skills. I don't love her, but even I have to admit, she is the best right now and could probably even take out Cyborg at this juncture. It's an opinion... but it still doesn't make you right. Rousey still has to go through Zingano & Cyborg as far as I'm concerned. And I don't think she can beat either them... most especially Cyborg. Zingano there's a bit of doubt due the time off, but I'm still not sold on Rousey yet... if you are, then good for you.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2014 15:06:11 GMT -5
She will beat Cat. Time off or not. But especially due to the time off. What sold me on Rousey is how fast she evolved from a 1-dimensional fighter to a fully-well rounded 3-dimensional fighter. She evolves faster than any fighter I have seen in MMA, and she fights in the second-most shallow division in the UFC. Do I wish I was wrong, absolutely. Do I love ROusey? Absolutely not. Is she going to be Bantamweight champion for a long time? Yes. Yes she is.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2014 16:11:16 GMT -5
She will beat Cat. Time off or not. But especially due to the time off. What sold me on Rousey is how fast she evolved from a 1-dimensional fighter to a fully-well rounded 3-dimensional fighter. She evolves faster than any fighter I have seen in MMA, and she fights in the second-most shallow division in the UFC. Do I wish I was wrong, absolutely. Do I love ROusey? Absolutely not. Is she going to be Bantamweight champion for a long time? Yes. Yes she is. I disagree, but you're entitled to think whatever you like... I could be right, so could you... we'll find out when Rousey and Zingano finally step into the octagon together. Until then, neither of us are wrong or right.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 9, 2014 21:59:14 GMT -5
Exactly. Though...for the record, I was dead-on about Davis
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 9, 2014 23:23:41 GMT -5
Exactly. Though...for the record, I was dead-on about Davis I'm sure, in your own mind, you were. Good for you... you've impressed yourself... Bravo.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2014 0:23:11 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2014 12:37:23 GMT -5
Thanks Seriously? You have to be "right" so bad that you go back 2 weeks on the shout box to get a screen cap? Holy OCD Batman. lol It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to predict Rousey will come out aggressive nor was there any turtle by Davis either. As I said earlier, Davis just didn't block the punch properly with her shoulder and Rousey doesn't get into position for that judo throw without that punch at that point. But hey if you have to be "right" so bad instead of allowing it to be a difference of opinion, which is what I've been saying all along... knock yourself out. You're not worth the time or the effort, especially cuz if I do fire back at you, you'll ban me again and blame me for starting a situation that you created yourself. lol I've got better things to than to do than try and debate with someone that's incapable of allowing others to have an opinion other than his own. Freakin' ridiculous. lol
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 10, 2014 13:13:31 GMT -5
It's not a "have to be right so bad" situation. It's a situation where I was right, you denied it, so I proved you wrong. I can retire from this thread in peace now that you have seen the error of your ways. #FlawlessVictory #fatality #Rinning
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 10, 2014 15:34:23 GMT -5
It's not a "have to be right so bad" situation. It's a situation where I was right, you denied it, so I proved you wrong. I can retire from this thread in peace now that you have seen the error of your ways. #FlawlessVictory #fatality #Rinning I didn't deny anything. I didn't agree with your stance or your take on the fight, so you decided to "convince me" and "prove me wrong" when there was nothing to be proven because it was a difference of opinion. Period. You won nothing... neither did I. There was no winning or losing in this conversation. Why does everything have to be some sort of competition or contest with you? I mean OMG I don't agree the "Almighty Justin" the world's going to end until everyone does... Get over yourself man. Seriously. lol
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