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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 30, 2015 21:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by Ferocity on Mar 31, 2015 8:11:16 GMT -5
This was surprisingly awesome. I certainly didn't expect to watch the whole thing, but totally did. If Wrestling was like this video I would watch wrestling.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 31, 2015 8:31:35 GMT -5
This was great!!!
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 31, 2015 16:01:33 GMT -5
Better than I expected it to be.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Apr 1, 2015 0:01:50 GMT -5
Really funny.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Apr 1, 2015 5:57:57 GMT -5
Great video, wsa surprised.
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Post by Ferocity on Apr 1, 2015 19:27:34 GMT -5
it's interesting that we clearly all had certain types of expectations of this video and then were all pleasenlty surprised about the outcome. Makes you wonder what kind of baggage we all carried into it.
I will admit that I was pleasantly surprised that he seemed well spoken and had at least thought things through. My surprise tells me that I have unfairly stereotyped wrestling fans... I know this is a bias.
what about you?
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 1, 2015 19:48:36 GMT -5
Me?
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Post by xx - The Underdog Regime on Apr 2, 2015 3:10:19 GMT -5
I have a major gripe about the whole point to what he said at the end, about how everyone will think he's never good enough. But first, let me talk about a few things he missed in H's story
- Triple H, once Shawn left after what was thought to be a career-ending back injury, brought X-Pac in, which I believe they made Sean Waltman look like a hick that had no talent. Yes, he did bring Road Dogg, Mr. Ass and Sean in, but it wasn't for his pursuit for the title. His gain in all this was to get him more popular. Matter of fact, H only recieved one world title shot from The Rock, and it was on an episode of Raw that nobody remembers. X-Pac had a more memorable title shot at Rock's title at Capital Carnage 1998, a british PPV. So, he didn't make the new DX to grasp the world title, it was for him to increase his popularity - He completely disreguarded his time in the Corporation pre-Steph storyline. This was when he was becoming this ruthless 'Game' character everybody knows. I think if he were to incorporate this, it would be something like "Once Triple H was seen as the guy that shouldn't be in DX anymore, he then betrayed his friends at DX to join the Corporation, where he believed he had an easier chance at getting the world title". Remember, that time period from the turn at Mania 15 to him winning the world title the night after Summerslam was 6 months. That's a shit ton of story time in wrestling.
In the end, however, I don't think H is seen as 'someone who has never deserved it'. Yes, he married the boss' daughter. Yes, he had a lot of creative control afterwards. BUT, he still developed himself to become a great ring general, someone who can carry a match to someone who isn't his caliber. In my opinion, if you can make a world title match with The Great Khali look okay, then you are tremendous at controlling the ring. That's what he needed to do as well throughout the year of 2000. He was the top heel of the company feuding with The Rock, one of the greatest showmen of the industry's history. I mean, look at the iron man match they had at Judgement Day 2000. The story telling of the match and the spots they made were tremendous. He deserves every title reign he has. He wouldn't be where he is today without two things happening. One, the departure of Shawn Michaels, and two, Stone Cold's lingering neck injury. This made two things happen, which are essentially the same thing. It made feuds out of them. You could make a feud with Shawn/Hunter about friends becoming enemies, and you could made an Austin/Hunter feud about who really caused Austin's neck injury. Everything else that happened afterwards was because of how he developed after the feuds. The Evolution story, the face turn, the Authority thing would never have happened if it weren't for those two feuds, which they did bring up in one, but failed to bring up in the other. They kinda just pushed Rock and Austin, who were two major parts of H's push to super-stardom, out of the way.
But, I can still see why people like this. It does show the majority of H's career and how they all intertwine perfectly. I just wish they went into more depth about a few things and emphasized less to other aspects
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Post by The Sandmen on Apr 2, 2015 3:40:23 GMT -5
When I first saw it, I went on a similar tirade about the lack of accuracy and consistent storyline presentation (and undermining of everyone involved with Triple H - i.e. the 5-man DX was not a scrub faction, they held pretty much every title but the big one).
Also, I have a general gripe with the entire "Look at Triple H's 20- year story arc". Let's be fucking honest - the WWE never has, and never will, have a long-term character plan for anyone, and pretending someone has an "arc" or logical character development is absurd - they just book much of the shit as they go. So any such arc or even consistency is completely coincidental. But the making up the shit as they go, week to week, month to month, is one of the other things that makes wrestling special and unique. There is nothing else where you can tell a live story, and completely change the long and short term outcome, goals, motives, and even characters on the fly like wrestling. Sure, swerves and turns are abused to no end, but like the dude in the video says, when that shit is done right, and done well, it's like nothing else I have ever experienced.
Case in point. Wrestlemania X-8. Hogan was a damned heel. Everyone loved The Rock. They come to Toronto. Toronto boos the shit out of the Rock and won't stop cheering for Hogan. The audience there live dictated how those characters were going to put the match together, and being the showman they are, The ROck and Hogan played into the audience perfectly. You don't get that in film. If you make a movie and it turns out people love the bad guy, you can't change that half way through. You're committed.
But I did really like the beginning and the end. Wrestling IS more real than any other scripted program on television, and it is just as intriguing and dramatic as the best television drama's out there. You could even argue the drama in wrestling is two-fold. You have the storylines (who hates who and why) and you have the wrestling storytelling and psychology of the matches themselves. You could argue that something like Game of Thrones has the story leading up to a war, and then there is "psychology and a storyline in the war itself as well" but it's not the same. You will never get a Hart vs. Austin, Wrestlemania 13 double-turn moment in any other medium. It's unique, and it can be very powerful.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Apr 2, 2015 6:41:02 GMT -5
God dammit, you guys are making me want to start watching wrestling again. The only part of the video that made me say "yeah, nevermind" to continuing was the comment that it's now PG-13. If it is, then I'm still done with it.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2015 12:53:03 GMT -5
To The Sandmen's point about WM X-8... or did the majority Canadian crowd play right into the WWE's hands in cheering for Hogan and booing The Rock? Yes, I realize both Dwayne & Terry have said numerous times that, that crowd reaction was a surprise... but was it really? Canada and Canadians have classically been depicted and portrayed as heels ever since The Hart Foundation vs. Austin; the Canada vs. America angle. I mean the last, more or less, Canadian babyface in storyline was Chris Benoit... so really, for me, the Canadian crowd at X-8 kinda played their role in cheering for the heel and booing the face... just something to think about. As for this video, I think it's extremely accurate in terms of character and storyline within the premise of it being a show and Hunter's character arc over 20 years. Yes, I said character arc... cuz while I believe a wrestler's character arc and development can't be pre-destined or determined beforehand, as Sandman eluded to previously, every character does have an arc whether you're a jobber like The Brooklyn Brawler or Gillberg, a low carder like Tommy Dreamer or Matt Stryker, a mid-carder like Dolph Ziggler or Wade Barrett, right up to the Main Eventers like HHH or Edge... when you're around for more than a year or two, there's a character arc you can see when a guy is able to capture he minds and hearts of the fans. I'm not a HHH fan, so of course I liked this lol but to the subject of it, it is fundamentally accurate... Wrestling isn't wrestling. As Alice Cooper once said about it "I look at pro wrestling like I look at my stage shows. It's like modern day Vaudeville." I absolutely agree with that.
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Post by Ferocity on Apr 2, 2015 15:18:06 GMT -5
wow. you guys have thought about this a lot.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Apr 2, 2015 18:43:30 GMT -5
wow. you guys have thought about this a lot. Wrestling fans are die hards sweeth(e)art... you have to be.. "Go Big or Go Home"... and I'll even offer this as to WWE programing being a show, not real... I finally got to see Wrestlemania after my modem crapped out on Sunday while watching it... Grr.. lol After watching it now though... I do like WWE Ronda Rousey... the IRL version can still kiss my ass though :-P lol
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Apr 2, 2015 19:33:20 GMT -5
wow. you guys have thought about this a lot. Wrestling fans are die hards sweeth(e)art... you have to be.. "Go Big or Go Home"... and I'll even offer this as to WWE programing being a show, not real... I finally got to see Wrestlemania after my modem crapped out on Sunday while watching it... Grr.. lol After watching it now though... I do like WWE Ronda Rousey... the IRL version can still kiss my ass though :-P lol PHX logic HypoCRite..
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