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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 13, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on Aug 13, 2015 17:16:05 GMT -5
Accept. Had he not been with PHX, I would have drafted him. Glad to have Johnson.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 14, 2015 6:31:55 GMT -5
My first objection to this trade was unprofessional, so I'm going to try this again. As the lone "trade mod" here, it's my job to look at each trade objectively and provide my feedback. In doing so, my concern with this trade is still the value. - Tito Ortiz (A-ranked fighter) was traded for less then this. - Royce Gracie (A-ranked fighter) with 7+ upgrades went for 5 points. In fact, just skimming through our 10 biggest blockbusters, in terms of value, this is probably one of the more expensive trades, even compared to those. Capped fighters and reigning champions have gone for anywhere between 7-12 points. Paying 42-71% that price for a fighter who could very well have been on FiD is undoubtedly steep. Translating it to a hockey site, it would be like 2 first OVERALL picks and a 2nd rounder for...whatever DJ is. A 3rd liner? Given precedent, it's a steep, steep price. But as I said in my other write-up, if it makes xx - The Broad Street Bullies happier, the cat's been around long enough to know what he's doing, so I won't reject it. But I did want to give a more fleshed out reason for my reservations about this trade. |
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Aug 14, 2015 8:47:00 GMT -5
reasonable analysis
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 14, 2015 13:47:59 GMT -5
I'm happy it was put through, but I have to respectfully disagree with your analysis. This deal isn't a blockbuster trade nor is it involving an A-ranked fighter. Citing a precedent should be a precedent based on a similar trade involving similar fighters, should it not?
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 14, 2015 13:58:46 GMT -5
You are right. It is not a blockbuster, but the price paid was on par with what people pay for block-buster calibre fighters. That was my point. (Well, one of several).
But as you said, I let this through since Bullies wanted it, so there is no need to argue this to no end publicly (thus buffering your posts and pissing everyone off). You have my Inbox number.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 14, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -5
Well, in ManMMA terms, is Royce really that much higher calibre of fighter than DJ is though? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from on this cuz I'm not even acknowledging the Tito deal as relevant to this at all, just for the simple reason that it was a charity deal and a completely different set of circumstances than this.
To me, the way all the Gracies have struggled in ManMMA, for whatever reason, kinda puts him even with DJ doesn't it? Especially since we've seen A-ranked fighters like GSP go for, what was it, 15-20 points?
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 14, 2015 14:57:51 GMT -5
This is what I keep talking about man. If you really wanted to understand and were not just post-whoring like people are claiming, you would have PMed me. Alas, here we are, more back and forth in the trade thread about stuff that does not matter. The trade went through. If you keep this crap up, I might change my damned mind.
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Aug 14, 2015 15:00:39 GMT -5
if he posts here again regarding it and doesn`t pm you, im requesting a post fine. this is getting ridiculous.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 14, 2015 15:01:48 GMT -5
if he posts here again regarding it and doesn`t pm you, im requesting a post fine. this is getting ridiculous. Since it is now the 3rd time I've requested me PM me about it, that is not an unreasonable request at all. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 14, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5
for a second there i thought i was tagged for an entirely different reason. carry on.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 15, 2015 14:44:51 GMT -5
if he posts here again regarding it and doesn`t pm you, im requesting a post fine. this is getting ridiculous. Since it is now the 3rd time I've requested me PM me about it, that is not an unreasonable request at all. You're kidding right? Cuz that is pretty unreasonable considering this is my own trade thread that I started myself. People don't have to come here and respond. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 15, 2015 16:23:44 GMT -5
It's because you were asked to discuss it in a PM and not here. Regardless of it being your trade. And you apparently won't do that (unless you did, but then publicly argued about it again) that might be why some people are getting irritated.
That said, I hope that Bullies knows what he's doing and look forward to continue beating him unto embarrassment.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 15, 2015 16:38:49 GMT -5
It's because you were asked to discuss it in a PM and not here. Regardless of it being your trade. And you apparently won't do that (unless you did, but then publicly argued about it again) that might be why some people are getting irritated. That said, I hope that Bullies knows what he's doing and look forward to continue beating him unto embarrassment. No I didn't PM lol This ended up being one of Sandman's "Kruze vs. _____" troll threads. |
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Post by The West Coast Knockouts on Aug 15, 2015 17:10:50 GMT -5
Terrible trade .
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!