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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2017 18:14:25 GMT -5
So I'm noticing that a lot of fighters on the site are capped, but are in need of a fine tune, but fine tunes are very point demanding. I have come up with an idea to add an incentive to find tuning their fighters. For every 5 points removed from a fighter you gain 1 additional point back to put in to that fighter exclusively. Thoughts?
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2017 20:08:49 GMT -5
Nah.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2017 20:42:16 GMT -5
Nah as in "absolutely not happening," or that's your opinion, but you'll listen to everyone else's |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 5, 2017 20:50:56 GMT -5
Nah as in "absolutely not happening," or that's your opinion, but you'll listen to everyone else's As in it's not happening. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2017 20:55:24 GMT -5
Nah as in "absolutely not happening," or that's your opinion, but you'll listen to everyone else's As in it's not happening. What is your opinion about it? |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 5, 2017 21:31:05 GMT -5
So I'm noticing that a lot of fighters on the site are capped, but are in need of a fine tune, but fine tunes are very point demanding. I have come up with an idea to add an incentive to find tuning their fighters. For every 5 points removed from a fighter you gain 1 additional point back to put in to that fighter exclusively. Thoughts? You're barking up the wrong tree now dude. Sandman's so points sensitive and worried/paranoid folks are going to manipulate everything, you might as well not even bother. Fine idea, but "the bitch who runs the ditch" says "Nah." That does mean not happening. I tried to convince him to change a few things when I was in your position too dude... And unless he thinks of it himself, or he gets to manipulate it for himself, and bastardize it to the point that it's not even your idea anymore, you'll rarely every get him to budge on anything. Yet, he'll still give you credit for it, even though he changed your idea so much that you usually don't want the cred for it anymore. Just fair warning... lol |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 5, 2017 21:55:24 GMT -5
it be alright if u got 1 point to put into the figher for every 5 spent that was previously used but sandmen wont allow the caps to be changed hence the popularity vote of the male fighter caps that half of them wouldnt even be on it if they fought the overall well rounded fighters of today
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 5, 2017 22:00:04 GMT -5
also the fighter are prolly built on sandmen bias opioniions originally why i spent over 50+ point into rousey and holly holm and gina crano and anderosn silva barely had half the total of points put into them
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2017 22:21:24 GMT -5
Nah as in "absolutely not happening," or that's your opinion, but you'll listen to everyone else's As in people would need to do some pretty serious convincing that this was worth doing. Here are my reasons: 1) As you said, we have tons of capped fighters. Meaning the point pay-out we have is high already. Half the league has been capped. So I don't see the purpose or value of refunding points to people. 2) If you have/had the points to cap someone, you have the resources to spend points an extra few points to fine-tune them. If you got them basically free, cool. Someone else put the points into them, and it was not done as a means for you to delete points they put into the fighter, to be refunded points to do what you like with. 3) With a 5 for 1 trade off, you are encouraging people to do big overhauls. Most capped fighters do not need this. They need small fine-tunes, over a period of time. People will be taking out 5+ points at a time to get the refund point, and that will send the wrong message about how to properly fine-tune someone. 4) This opens the door to an additional slippery-slope of "If we do a 5 for 1 refund, why not 3 for one (thus solving Justin's point in #3). Or even 1:1. The more whiney members of the site (Kruze and Cannon, as you can see), want things easy-as-fuck. (Interestingly, both also have the program, and both have done simming on it, and both have tinkered with it themselves, with Cannon openly admitting at one point his plan was to cheat - and Kruze has a reputation on hockey sites as a less-than-trustworthy simmer, but I generally trust him here.) But the point is, the site is not supposed to be easy-mode. It's a game, and a game is no fun without a challenge. Belts here are not participation medals, handed out for signing up to the site. You have to earn them. And part of earning them is spending the points to upgrade properly. 5) Spin-off of number 4. If we start this now, it's unfair to people who have already subtracted points from fighters and did not get refunded points. For example, Cannon recently took what, 10-20 points out of Ronda Rousey. He did not get refunded those. If we start refunding them retroactively, there's a hell of a lot of work involved in that. If we don't, it's highly unfair to those who have subtracted the big points. 6) Mostly 1-5, but for 6, I will say I think it's just generally stupid and unrealistic. Points are like a skill you spend time building in real life. In real life, you spend time working on a skill. You use it for some fights, then either maintain it, let it atrophy, or stop using it. If you start refunding points, it's like refunding the time those fighters spent in the gym working on those skills. It's stupid. So...yeah, while I am open to discuss it further, any convincing you will have to do will have a long road ahead. (And simply saying "No" to everything I said above will not convince me of anything, since I know that is likely coming from PHX, instead of a well-thought-out solution to the problems I have with this suggestion) |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 5, 2017 22:29:43 GMT -5
yeah i realize i wont get the points back for ronda but i figured her clinch grappling would stp her from getting punched n koed all the time and maxing that with control means shes be in a dom position but yeah she really needed a big overhaul since none off her fights are even won with her gnp gunna sit on her now n see how she goes
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2017 22:34:58 GMT -5
yeah i realize i wont get the points back for ronda but i figured her clinch grappling would stp her from getting punched n koed all the time and maxing that with control means shes be in a dom position but yeah she really needed a big overhaul since none off her fights are even won with her gnp gunna sit on her now n see how she goes Shoulda traded her to me for that insane offer I sent you. I would have fixed her on up instead of working on Cat.  |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Aug 5, 2017 22:36:16 GMT -5
yeah i realize i wont get the points back for ronda but i figured her clinch grappling would stp her from getting punched n koed all the time and maxing that with control means shes be in a dom position but yeah she really needed a big overhaul since none off her fights are even won with her gnp gunna sit on her now n see how she goes Shoulda traded her to me for that insane offer I sent you. I would have fixed her on up instead of working on Cat. i like cat zigano so work on her lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2017 22:49:19 GMT -5
Me too  |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2017 22:50:04 GMT -5
Nah as in "absolutely not happening," or that's your opinion, but you'll listen to everyone else's As in people would need to do some pretty serious convincing that this was worth doing. Here are my reasons: 1) As you said, we have tons of capped fighters. Meaning the point pay-out we have is high already. Half the league has been capped. So I don't see the purpose or value of refunding points to people. 2) If you have/had the points to cap someone, you have the resources to spend points an extra few points to fine-tune them. If you got them basically free, cool. Someone else put the points into them, and it was not done as a means for you to delete points they put into the fighter, to be refunded points to do what you like with. 3) With a 5 for 1 trade off, you are encouraging people to do big overhauls. Most capped fighters do not need this. They need small fine-tunes, over a period of time. People will be taking out 5+ points at a time to get the refund point, and that will send the wrong message about how to properly fine-tune someone. 4) This opens the door to an additional slippery-slope of "If we do a 5 for 1 refund, why not 3 for one (thus solving Justin's point in #3). Or even 1:1. The more whiney members of the site (Kruze and Cannon, as you can see), want things easy-as-fuck. (Interestingly, both also have the program, and both have done simming on it, and both have tinkered with it themselves, with Cannon openly admitting at one point his plan was to cheat - and Kruze has a reputation on hockey sites as a less-than-trustworthy simmer, but I generally trust him here.) But the point is, the site is not supposed to be easy-mode. It's a game, and a game is no fun without a challenge. Belts here are not participation medals, handed out for signing up to the site. You have to earn them. And part of earning them is spending the points to upgrade properly. 5) Spin-off of number 4. If we start this now, it's unfair to people who have already subtracted points from fighters and did not get refunded points. For example, Cannon recently took what, 10-20 points out of Ronda Rousey. He did not get refunded those. If we start refunding them retroactively, there's a hell of a lot of work involved in that. If we don't, it's highly unfair to those who have subtracted the big points. 6) Mostly 1-5, but for 6, I will say I think it's just generally stupid and unrealistic. Points are like a skill you spend time building in real life. In real life, you spend time working on a skill. You use it for some fights, then either maintain it, let it atrophy, or stop using it. If you start refunding points, it's like refunding the time those fighters spent in the gym working on those skills. It's stupid. So...yeah, while I am open to discuss it further, any convincing you will have to do will have a long road ahead. (And simply saying "No" to everything I said above will not convince me of anything, since I know that is likely coming from PHX, instead of a well-thought-out solution to the problems I have with this suggestion) Ok, fair enough. I get it now. I just think making suggestions brings stuff to the site. Sorry if this was a hassle for anyone. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2017 22:56:16 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough. I get it now. I just think making suggestions brings stuff to the site. Sorry if this was a hassle for anyone. Never hesitate to suggest things. I always have reasons for or  ing a suggestion (and they will come, I was just in a rush when I wrote my "nah"). But don't let that stop you from suggesting new things. And don't let those who are butt-hurt over making useless or impractical suggestions in the past get your spirit down about making new suggestions in the future. Some people are unable to put personal feelings aside and look at the greater good of the site (which is where I come in, and unfortunatley have to play the role of dream-crusher ) |
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