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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2018 2:05:01 GMT -5
HeavyweightsTexas Rattlesnakes | The Killing Joke | Shane Carwin
Cheick Kongo
Alexander Volkov
Mark Kerr
| Igor Vovchanchyn
Heath Herring
Butterbean
Vitaly Minakov
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The Sandmen | The King's Poison | Alexander Shlemenko
Carlos Newton
Hector Lombard
Rousimar Palhares
| Chris Weidman
Ronaldo Souza
Murilo Bustamante
Jeremy Horn
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Team GAP | The Rocketmen | Kenny Florian
Jim Miller
Caol Uno
Ian McCall
| Joe Lauzon
Rafael dos Anjos
Tony Ferguson
Joseph Benavidez
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The women's ManNXT Tournament has been cancelled since neither coach had any interest in submitting a team from the list of available fighters (and I do not have the time (personally or professionally) to create 6+ brand new fighters for this ManNXT Tournament). |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2018 2:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 11, 2018 8:24:31 GMT -5
The women's ManNXT Tournament has been cancelled since ManNXT officials had no interest in compiling a list of good available fighters. Fixed that for you. The whole point & spirit of this tournament is/was to showcase new fighters not to rehash ALL old fighters that haven't made the cut in ManMMA on any team for 20 seasons. Your loss and your problem as far as I'm concerned, especially when you're the ones that wanted to see this showdown between me and Normand in this forum, yet we're subjected to being forced to pick mediocre teams of fighters neither of us would pick for the most part. So no, the cancellation of the women's tournament is solely on you and on you alone, not on either myself or Cannon for wanting to make it the epic showdown you all wanted to see in the first place. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 11, 2018 8:30:49 GMT -5
The women's ManNXT Tournament has been cancelled since ManNXT officials had no interest in compiling a list of good available fighters. Fixed that for you. I march to the beat of my own broken drum.  Fixed that for you. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2018 8:42:23 GMT -5
The whole point & spirit of this tournament is/was to showcase new fighters not to rehash ALL old fighters that haven't made the cut in ManMMA on any team for 20 seasons. Your loss and your problem as far as I'm concerned, especially when you're the ones that wanted to see this showdown between me and Normand in this forum, yet we're subjected to being forced to pick mediocre teams of fighters neither of us would pick for the most part. So no, the cancellation of the women's tournament is solely on you and on you alone, not on either myself or Cannon for wanting to make it the epic showdown you all wanted to see in the first place. 1) As you established in the "split decision" discussion, you never need to fix things for me. I don't need you TheJosh'ing things up. (Also, there are not 8 says in a week, regardless of how much you will fight me on that) 2) Wrong. The whole point of THIS tournament was to showcase available free agents who have gone overlooked for a while. Just like TUF IRL, you don't always get the showcases you might want, but this BONUS FEATURE of ManMMA gives you some extra options to consider when drafting. Since you and Cannon draft who you want regardless of site-performance or real life accomplishments, this tournament is probably moot for those showcases regardless. 3) Unfortunately, the site is not 100% about you and other people's lives and time come into play. Given my life right now and, to a lesser extent, the time remaining in the season, this season of NXT was about people who have already been created. There are many fighters on FA who are significantly better than any new fighter would be. In all kinds of different weightclasses. 4) The cancellation of the women's class in this tournament is literally 100% because you guys did not send proper lists. We would have done one if you had sent lists from the available fighters like literally every other coach on ManMMA did. You both sent off-list lists, you were both asked to stick to the lists posted, neither of you wanted to, so it was cancelled. By me. For that reason. Make up whatever else you want, but that is why it was cancelled. 5) Again, I find it very cute how you constantly ignore the fact that the things you want (demand, actually) take time, but never your time. It's MY time you are demanding. And when I say, "sorry, I don't have it to give", you get indignant and think your child-like rebellion will get you somewhere. If you think you are in the right, then let's try something. I demand you spend 2 hours of your night going through and posting "Hatchimal" on every thread that contains the word "Dean". Then, when you are done, delete every one of your posts. 6) Not sure if you noticed, but last season, when I did spend hours of my life creating new fighters for NXT, like 2 were drafted and the majority of drafted fighters were, YOU GUESSED IT, pre-existing fighters who did well in NXT. Moral - not worth my time. 7) In this case, it may not have mattered, but exactly 0 of your fighters were in Austin's "suggest fighters for ManNXT" thread. 0. Now, you might say you didn't have time to see it and reply with your list. In which case, remind me again why I SHOULD have the time to run through and create 8 people when at most, 2 MAY be drafted. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 11, 2018 8:44:42 GMT -5
Fixed that for you. I march to the beat of my own broken drum. Fixed that for you. No not really. When the whole point of this tournament since its inception, first as New Blood Rising, and then the transition to the ManNXT tournament format we have now, was to showcase NEW fighters yet we're not going to see any new fighters at all. It's not about marching to my own drum. It's literally about what this tournament is/was supposed to be, and this ain't it. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 11, 2018 9:19:58 GMT -5
No not really. When the whole point of this tournament since its inception, first as New Blood Rising, and then the transition to the ManNXT tournament format we have now, was to showcase NEW fighters yet we're not going to see any new fighters at all. It's not about marching to my own drum. It's literally about what this tournament is/was supposed to be, and this ain't it. Oh, okay, so since you're not a fan of what this tournament has become, you have decided not to participate. Others also did not feel like participating. Some did, and it's because they are a fan of the tournament and felt like participating. Alright, everyone freely gets to do it if they want, or ignore it if they don't. So we're all good then.  |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 11, 2018 9:35:18 GMT -5
1) As you established in the "split decision" discussion, you never need to fix things for me. I don't need you TheJosh'ing things up. (Also, there are not 8 says in a week, regardless of how much you will fight me on that) Yeah you do need fixing quite a bit. lol 2) Wrong. The whole point of THIS tournament was to showcase available free agents who have gone overlooked for a while. Just like TUF IRL, you don't always get the showcases you might want, but this BONUS FEATURE of ManMMA gives you some extra options to consider when drafting. Since you and Cannon draft who you want regardless of site-performance or real life accomplishments, this tournament is probably moot for those showcases regardless. Not to me it's not.... It's about seeing new talent not just a bunch of crap we've seen that sucked in ManMMA already. 3) Unfortunately, the site is not 100% about you and other people's lives and time come into play. Given my life right now and, to a lesser extent, the time remaining in the season, this season of NXT was about people who have already been created. There are many fighters on FA who are significantly better than any new fighter would be. In all kinds of different weightclasses. Never once said it was completely about me yet that's you're only go to when you can't come up with anything else to say. 4) The cancellation of the women's class in this tournament is literally 100% because you guys did not send proper lists. We would have done one if you had sent lists from the available fighters like literally every other coach on ManMMA did. You both sent off-list lists, you were both asked to stick to the lists posted, neither of you wanted to, so it was cancelled. By me. For that reason. Make up whatever else you want, but that is why it was cancelled. Your available list for the women sucked... For starters. Secondly, I did choose Kobold & Chookagian on my list that I PM'd Austin, and Chookagian should be in the system already since she was in last year's tournament. You're just making excuses for yourself again now, as per usual. 5) Again, I find it very cute how you constantly ignore the fact that the things you want (demand, actually) take time, but never your time. It's MY time you are demanding. And when I say, "sorry, I don't have it to give", you get indignant and think your child-like rebellion will get you somewhere. If you think you are in the right, then let's try something. I demand you spend 2 hours of your night going through and posting "Hatchimal" on every thread that contains the word "Dean". Then, when you are done, delete every one of your posts. Potato/Potatoe man... It's not demands when you constantly change things and expect folks to just say "Yes sir, No sir... 3 bags fulls sir." I understand that not all of them would have been created, and that's fine... but, at the same time, you were the ones that wanted this to go down. You were the ones that pushed for it, but when push came to shove, you couldn't be bothered to allow either of us to put our own flavor into it and make it more interesting for ourselves and everyone else. You had to keep it as bland and as vanilla as possible, and, in the process, defeated part of the whole purpose of this tournament. So six of one and half dozen of the other here dude... You guys pushed for this but failed to take into account that we need to enjoy it as much as you do for it to be worth our time and effort as well. That's a two-way street there... But you'd rather just make it all about you. So now we have no women's tournament at all because of your pig-headedness and refusal to give us any enjoyment out of it. Cuz personally, I have more interest seeing new fighters than guys we've already seen before and I likely won't have any vested interest in this season's tournament after this since the only guys in this tournament I have any interest in at all are KenFlo, McCall and maybe Newton, but even then, I have no room or need for any new LWs or MWs right now on my team. 6) Not sure if you noticed, but last season, when I did spend hours of my life creating new fighters for NXT, like 2 were drafted and the majority of drafted fighters were, YOU GUESSED IT, pre-existing fighters who did well in NXT. Moral - not worth my time. Actually, it ended up being a new fighter that won the entire thing in the women's tournament last season. Care to try again? 7) In this case, it may not have mattered, but exactly 0 of your fighters were in Austin's "suggest fighters for ManNXT" thread. 0. Now, you might say you didn't have time to see it and reply with your list. In which case, remind me again why I SHOULD have the time to run through and create 8 people when at most, 2 MAY be drafted. That's not accurate at all. I did select Kobold and, as stated above, Chookagian should already be in the system as well as Cortney Casey too if memory serves. I pm'd my list to Austin. I could be wrong about Casey though but I seem to remember her being on one of our lists somewhere. In any event, if there's no new fighters at all, then there's no point to it for me either. Cuz seeing new/fresh fighters was the reason I got excited for these tournaments. Otherwise it's just a bunch of crap we've seen before. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 11, 2018 9:38:54 GMT -5
"potatoe" isn't a word... |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2018 9:54:36 GMT -5
and Chookagian should be in the system already since she was in last year's tournament. Exactly. We just saw her last NXT season. She did not change. No reason to see her again. Plus, Exactly. We saw her last season. And no one gave a shit because no one drafted her. It's not demands when you constantly change things and expect folks to just say "Yes sir, No sir... 3 bags fulls sir." I understand that not all of them would have been created, and that's fine... but, at the same time, you were the ones that wanted this to go down. You were the ones that pushed for it, but when push came to shove, you couldn't be bothered to allow either of us to put our own flavor into it and make it more interesting for ourselves and everyone else. See my original point #3. It's not demands when you constantly change things and expect folks to just say "Yes sir, No sir... 3 bags fulls sir." This is exactly what I expect. Because I provide a game for you, that you are playing that game. Do you load up a PS4 game and expect to negotiate with it? Actually, it ended up being a new fighter that won the entire thing in the women's tournament last season. Care to try again? You ignored my point. If the point of NXT is to provide draft-bait, it failed. less than half of the league drafted NXT talent. And only 2-3 of THOSE were NEW NXT talent. Moral: creating all the fighters that I had to create amounted to 2 people being drafted who probably would have been drafted regardless. Again. NOT. WORTH. TIME. I. DON'T. HAVE. That's not accurate at all. I did select Kobold and, as stated above, (and so on) You did not understand the words I said. Austin made a "Who do you want to see in NXT" thread. It was up for a day before it was edited to become this thread. Many people, including Cannon, suggested fighters for NXT. You did not suggest any fighters during that time, and no one had the time or interest in waiting a month for people to suggest more fighters. The site moves forward. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jan 11, 2018 10:23:14 GMT -5
That's not accurate at all. I did select Kobold and, as stated above, (and so on) You did not understand the words I said. Austin made a "Who do you want to see in NXT" thread. It was up for a day before it was edited to become this thread. Many people, including Cannon, suggested fighters for NXT. You did not suggest any fighters during that time, and no one had the time or interest in waiting a month for people to suggest more fighters. The site moves forward. Cannon suggested Tony Ferguson, that's it. lol I PM'd a list to Austin when he asked for it; a list that included Kobold. But have a look there man... The list I posted on that thread were suggestions to be added, not my entire list... and no response was giving except Rocketman claim it was my selection list. It wasn't. But not even one or 2 of them were even considered. So fuck it... If you want to have a shitty list and not take suggestions, especially from one of the only guys on this site that actually knows women's MMA, then why should I waste my time either? |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Jan 11, 2018 10:33:24 GMT -5
especially from one of the only guys on this site that actually knows women's MMA lol this is my favorite thing about you and Norm. Just because you two built teams with a lot of women, and put them in your banner, and bothered fighters on twitter, doesn't make you an expert, and doesn't undermine the knowledge of fighters by other people just because they aren't relentless twats who irritate people on the internet. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jan 11, 2018 10:36:16 GMT -5
especially from one of the only guys on this site that actually knows women's MMA lol this is my favorite thing about you and Norm. Just because you two built teams with a lot of women, and put them in your banner, and bothered fighters on twitter, doesn't make you an expert, and doesn't undermine the knowledge of fighters by other people just because they aren't relentless twats who irritate people on the internet. ^^THIS^^ Nothing more needs to be said here. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jan 11, 2018 11:05:34 GMT -5
You did not understand the words I said. Austin made a "Who do you want to see in NXT" thread. It was up for a day before it was edited to become this thread. Many people, including Cannon, suggested fighters for NXT. You did not suggest any fighters during that time, and no one had the time or interest in waiting a month for people to suggest more fighters. The site moves forward. Cannon suggested Tony Ferguson, that's it. lol I PM'd a list to Austin when he asked for it; a list that included Kobold. But have a look there man... The list I posted on that thread were suggestions to be added, not my entire list. That's false. I tagged everyone I needed team lists from. I said I needed a list of your fighters to be on your team listed in priority, and you PM'd me "I'm not sending you shit til he picks, Savvy?! 1) He's an idiot. 2) I don't have to yet." Then I said: "I sent Cannon a message saying I need his priority list, so would you mind sending yours too? It's pointless to wait for him because neither of you will know what the other person's list is when sent. Your team is being created based on your four highest priority fighters..." And you sent back this: "Relying on our wits lol Again I win... Ok.. Katlyn Chookagian Ketlen Vieira Agnieszka Niedźwiedź Talita Nogueira Kelly Kobold Ilima-Lei Macfarlane Courtney Casey" So... yeah that was your list, not your suggestions. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Jan 11, 2018 11:06:32 GMT -5
No not really. When the whole point of this tournament since its inception, first as New Blood Rising, and then the transition to the ManNXT tournament format we have now, was to showcase NEW fighters yet we're not going to see any new fighters at all. It's not about marching to my own drum. It's literally about what this tournament is/was supposed to be, and this ain't it.  |
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