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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 11, 2018 17:57:06 GMT -5
should we put a cap on how many points you can save? I believe the answer to this is yes. my reasons are:
1) saving up points then allows someone to cap a rookie or dump huge points into someone and make that fighter who was previously crap to best fighter in the league instantly instead of building up over time. taking time to build up is more realistic.
2) trades become impossible for others (who spend their points) to compete. example: ill save up and then offer sandmen 100 points for anderson silva. since nobody else has 100 points nobody else can compete in that trade.
3) creating a cap on how much you can save is an incentive to be actively upgrading fighters. and if your not active. you lose out on points uou could have had.
4) it keeps an even playing field
Now it should be mentioned that i am suggesting a cap at say 20 points. if you want to save your points go ahead up to 20 points. if you have 20 points then you would not gain anymore points till you spend the points you have.
lets discuss this.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 11, 2018 18:19:27 GMT -5
i would put more effort into convincing people to spend their points rather than punishing them for existing and collecting the same salary that everyone else is getting.
that's the equivalence of having two people who work the same job, and one guy spends all of his money from each paycheck, and the other guy saves, and people yelling at him for having a bank account.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 11, 2018 19:54:56 GMT -5
Reason number 2 is pretty good
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 11, 2018 20:56:46 GMT -5
xx - Team GAP, why are these things problems for you though? Like why do you see it as a problem if people save then make a rookie legit quickly? I guess what I'm really struggling with is where the imbalance comes in. Everyone has the same amount of points basically. So let's look at the 100 points for Anderson trade you discussed. So Person 1 has 100 points that they trade for Anderson. But Person 2 will have at least 2 fighters that they have capped (and fine-tuned) with their 100 points. So while they might not be able to match 100 points, they might be able to offer, say, Robbie Lawler + Wanderlei Silva for Anderson - both of those fighters became legit through upgrading. And legit, upgraded fighters have value too. Sometimes more than points. I'm not arguing with you on this, I'm just genuinely confused, because I don't see where having points vs. spending points gives people an advantage (except in the trade you mentioned, which, is kind of a moot point anyways, since we have said people could take out loans from ManMMA if necessary - but again, if your points went into fighters, 100 points across 2-3 fighters I would say is actually more valuable than points.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 11, 2018 21:53:22 GMT -5
xx - Team GAP, why are these things problems for you though? Like why do you see it as a problem if people save then make a rookie legit quickly? I guess what I'm really struggling with is where the imbalance comes in. Everyone has the same amount of points basically. So let's look at the 100 points for Anderson trade you discussed. So Person 1 has 100 points that they trade for Anderson. But Person 2 will have at least 2 fighters that they have capped (and fine-tuned) with their 100 points. So while they might not be able to match 100 points, they might be able to offer, say, Robbie Lawler + Wanderlei Silva for Anderson - both of those fighters became legit through upgrading. And legit, upgraded fighters have value too. Sometimes more than points. I'm not arguing with you on this, I'm just genuinely confused, because I don't see where having points vs. spending points gives people an advantage (except in the trade you mentioned, which, is kind of a moot point anyways, since we have said people could take out loans from ManMMA if necessary - but again, if your points went into fighters, 100 points across 2-3 fighters I would say is actually more valuable than points. Yeah, but if you didn't need a good MW, and you'd rather have the points, then that user would be at a disadvantage, because taking a 100 point loan puts them in a huge hole. So 100 points might look better than two capped fighters you don't need. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 11, 2018 21:54:20 GMT -5
What if we made it so there's a maximum amount of points you can offer in a trade. Like the person with the fewest points, plus 10.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 11, 2018 23:12:34 GMT -5
What if we made it so there's a maximum amount of points you can offer in a trade. Like the person with the fewest points, plus 10. this would be a good start. but it doesnt solve the problem of dumping 100000000 points into a guy and instantly have that guy as the best in manmma. i am hurt by this problem at the fact that since i have been here I have spent alot of points (hundreds) into fighters taking my time to build fighters.. tweak them.. and they are over shadowed by rookies who have been upgraded witb 20 points. and im tired of it. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 12, 2018 0:41:07 GMT -5
i am hurt by this problem at the fact that since i have been here I have spent alot of points (hundreds) into fighters taking my time to build fighters.. tweak them.. and they are over shadowed by rookies who have been upgraded witb 20 points. and im tired of it. I understand that, but that's not an issue of the number of points. It's an issue with styles and how people are being upgraded. As I have said, I am more than happy at any time to work with your privately to help you upgrade people more to their strengths and help you get better results. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 12, 2018 1:02:39 GMT -5
Related but unrelated: no matter what we decide here, I would have to exempt myself from this hoarding rule. Because I approach the site admin-first, then deal with my team afterwards, I pretty much always run out of time to do my team stuff while doing my site work. So my upgrades typically come during my once a month break, when I remember I wanted to upgrade someone, and often most do not go through.
If I had to worry about losing points for not spending them, I would either have to sacrifice points to keep putting the site first (which is unfair to The Sandmen), or I would have to start prioritizing my team above my simming duties (which is unfair to ManMMA). Therefore, exemption.
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 12, 2018 3:06:57 GMT -5
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 12, 2018 5:11:35 GMT -5
when did that happen? i don't recall that ever happening. but i think that if it did, then all of the free points handed out by the league to date for holidays and just because moments have more than made up for it, no? |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 12, 2018 9:11:33 GMT -5
when did that happen? i don't recall that ever happening. but i think that if it did, then all of the free points handed out by the league to date for holidays and just because moments have more than made up for it, no? LMAO Are you really still trying to understand Cannon-ese?  |
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Post by xx - The King's Poison on Mar 12, 2018 11:03:16 GMT -5
xx - Team GAP, why are these things problems for you though? Like why do you see it as a problem if people save then make a rookie legit quickly? I guess what I'm really struggling with is where the imbalance comes in. Everyone has the same amount of points basically. So let's look at the 100 points for Anderson trade you discussed. So Person 1 has 100 points that they trade for Anderson. But Person 2 will have at least 2 fighters that they have capped (and fine-tuned) with their 100 points. So while they might not be able to match 100 points, they might be able to offer, say, Robbie Lawler + Wanderlei Silva for Anderson - both of those fighters became legit through upgrading. And legit, upgraded fighters have value too. Sometimes more than points. I'm not arguing with you on this, I'm just genuinely confused, because I don't see where having points vs. spending points gives people an advantage (except in the trade you mentioned, which, is kind of a moot point anyways, since we have said people could take out loans from ManMMA if necessary - but again, if your points went into fighters, 100 points across 2-3 fighters I would say is actually more valuable than points. Are we able to take a loan for upgrades? |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Mar 12, 2018 11:12:24 GMT -5
i am hurt by this problem at the fact that since i have been here I have spent alot of points (hundreds) into fighters taking my time to build fighters.. tweak them.. and they are over shadowed by rookies who have been upgraded witb 20 points. and im tired of it. I understand that, but that's not an issue of the number of points. It's an issue with styles and how people are being upgraded. As I have said, I am more than happy at any time to work with your privately to help you upgrade people more to their strengths and help you get better results. please dont think that it is solely my problem... cause im not good at upgrading. im not completely at fault here. i have tweaked and upgraded people properly... and i am frustrated at lack of progress with my team. for example. gonzaga.. i have put tonnes of points into him.. capping him.. tweaked him. he works well enough now to be average. but with all the effort and work i have put into him. he should be hw champ at least every once and awhile. yet he has never won a belt. my efforts are useless. and yet. someone else buys a new fighter... puts 20 points into him and he is champ with no time or effort put into him. i really feel that a 20 point cap for saving would really help this problem out. otherwise i can stop being active on the site and wait till i have 10000 points then i can minus all my points into a fighter and build him and tweak him perfectly (which id what i see other people doing) now obviously i have exaggerated numbers but this is whag i see... and i want it to stop |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 12, 2018 12:07:14 GMT -5
so to summarize you believe that anytime someone brings in someone new and upgrades them well you are frustrated that they are better than your upgrading techniques? and we need to stop people from upgrading better.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!