Cannon vs. Carano and FiD

[xx - Camp Cannon]

ok so here goes seeing as the points transactions are literally missing carano upgrades i cant determine how many points it took too cap her compared to rousey and holm whom are much better irl? tho i do remember 50+ into rousey n her barely beating carano only too lose 2 her 50 times after that? why is carano made better than actual women who are real life better?

[xx - Camp Cannon]

so i gotta make up the umbdance of points in the women who are literally equal in capping unlike he mens who you at one tyme said to me if the were all the same rating it be communism and now keep up with fid? well allowing communism of the woman where carano has like what the record for most titles and defences in her weight class?

[The Sandmen]

1) This is separate from the Marquardt thing, so I moved it to a new thread, since you are now on a huge tangent, but I will answer your questions anyway.

2) Every single upgrade I have ever put into Carano is posted on the site. On a PC, you can search very easily. Start by going here: manmma.proboards.com/board/194/point-allocation?q=carano Then any time you open an archived thread, type "Carano" in the search, and it will show the actual upgrades. Since she was created to have a lower overall than Rousey, she probably spent more points to get to cap than Rousey did. I encourage you to look into that and check your claims.

3) Capping is not necessary to compete with capped fighters. Upgrading well is.

4) Carano has the most total BW title defences because she has been consistently maintained over 7 years. People like Cyborg, Kaufman, and other early champions switched teams, got neglected, etc.

5) "Why is so and so better than real life so and such and so" - it's a simulation program. I do not make the fighters. When you upgrade, you make them. I build them, and as I keep saying, after about 3-5 upgrades, they are yours. They are pretty raw when created, both men and women. Regardless of overall.

6) You mentioned this several times. Literally nothing about a capped fighter has anything to do with the build I gave them when I made them. NOTHING.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

well when i go to season 5 too count carano and some other fighters have upgrades listed under sandmen with the actual post missing so there fore its unproveable second why the communism with the women? irl carano lose too both rousey and holm shes like a loww c to d rank and by your suggesstion with thye men my woman who has not changed hands holm n rousey isnt neglected nor should be an a and always champs

[The Sandmen]

You keep throwing a bucket of sand of complaints into one sentence, which makes it a mess to break down, and which is why this is a separate thread from the Nate thread.

1) Letter-grades. I already told you. WOmen do not have this because there is no list like we have with the men. It is not possible.

2) Carano never fought Rousey IRL, we do not know who would win. Hence the fantasy and fun of THIS site.

3) If they did, the results of real life are not necessarily duplicated here. This is a fantasy site.

4) I have no control over who beats whom. So going on and on about who should be better than someone is meaningless and makes no sense. No control over who is better, and no longer control over overalls.

5) When I built the site, Carano was NOT the highest overall woman. Fujii was, with Rousey a close second.

6) You keep mentioning Holm. When you drafted Holm, she was a nobody. She was created as a nobody, as I cannot see the future. You made her into whatever she is on this site. Just like Rousey, Calderwood, Herrig, etc.

7) No upgrades are missing. Every single upgrade I have ever done is on the site. When we allowed people to upgrade privately through PMs, I was adamant I have no advantage, so I made all my upgrades public. ANd I have deleted none of them. If you cannot find them, look harder. They are ALL there.

8) There is no "communism with women". They have a base creation-range based on their skill at the time they were drafted. They have level caps based on wishy-washy criteria because we don't have a good criteria for letter grades for women. Outlined above in point #1.

9) I am not happy with the current women's cap system either, but we have nothing better to go with.

[The Rocketmen]

Carano:
6 points in season 4
3 points in season 5
7 points in season 6
17 points in season 7
3 points in season 8
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Total: 36 points

Rousey:
5 points in season 4
30 points in season 5
13 points in season 6
1 point in season 7
no work season 8
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Total: 49 points

Not sure how many points applied to Carano/Rousey prior to Season 4, but it looks pretty close to even for the most part, considering carano very likely was upgraded in seasons 1-3 versus rousey not really getting attention until maybe season, and if sandmen did put upgrades into rousey PRIOR to the trade to cannon, then that only further shows just how fucking completely one-sided this trade was:

The Trade

Here is the trade that got Cannon Rousey. Literally traded fucking nothing to get her.

To Sandmen

1 point, Lena "Hunter" Ovchynnikova, Grapplemuchs 2nd round pick, Grapplemuchs 3rd round pick

To Cannon

Ronda Rousey

manmma.proboards.com/thread/1612

So arguing about Rousey at this point, when you were literally GIFTED that fighter from the start, it's just embarrassing.

[The Sandmen]

Want to add and clarify, these "til season 8" points are NOT the numbers that brought these fighters to cap.

In fact, now that you mention it, Rousey was the highest rated fighter on the site by far, because Cannon was trying to max out all of her skills. Rousey and her upgrades are why we have fighter caps to begin with

[xx - Camp Cannon]

ohh seee took less points to cap carano why she made so much better thann rousey whom is better irl alsoseson 1-3 there were no upgrades i dont think.. also holms who beat cyborg 2/5 rounds they fought suxs compared to gina who was destroyed by cyborg irl

[xx - Camp Cannon]

for rousey to be made 2nd best but 13 more points than caranp to cap does not add up

[xx - Camp Cannon]

also note rousey with so many upgrades b4 carano still lost to carano everytime

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Nov 2, 2018 21:37:32 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

also note rousey with so many upgrades b4 carano still lost to carano everytime

That was mostly your fault with the way you were you were upgrading her and wanted to upgrade her though too Normand. lol You were wanting to max everything out to 20 and didn't have much rhyme or reason to how you did it and it gave her a lot holes that she wouldn't have had if you'd done it with a little more tact.

[The Rocketmen]

Nov 2, 2018 21:55:19 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Nov 2, 2018 21:37:32 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

also note rousey with so many upgrades b4 carano still lost to carano everytime

That was mostly your fault with the way you were you were upgrading her and wanted to upgrade her though too Normand. lol You were wanting to max everything out to 20 and didn't have much rhyme or reason to how you did it and it gave her a lot holes that she wouldn't have had if you'd done it with a little more tact.

This. This exactly. This is the answer to every question that is "why isn't so and so better than so and so" and it's absolutely this, forever.

[The Sandmen]

Nov 2, 2018 16:26:52 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

ohh seee took less points to cap carano why she made so much better thann rousey whom is better irl alsoseson 1-3 there were no upgrades i dont think.. also holms who beat cyborg 2/5 rounds they fought suxs compared to gina who was destroyed by cyborg irl

As I said, this was NOT the points to cap them. This is just points spent up to season 8.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Nov 2, 2018 23:17:16 GMT -5 The Sandmen said:

Nov 2, 2018 16:26:52 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

ohh seee took less points to cap carano why she made so much better thann rousey whom is better irl alsoseson 1-3 there were no upgrades i dont think.. also holms who beat cyborg 2/5 rounds they fought suxs compared to gina who was destroyed by cyborg irl

As I said, this was NOT the points to cap them. This is just points spent up to season 8.

rousey was probably capped by season 8 or i would have put more into her after that would have been just redtribution to diff stats fixing her

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Nov 2, 2018 21:55:19 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Nov 2, 2018 21:37:32 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

also note rousey with so many upgrades b4 carano still lost to carano everytime

That was mostly your fault with the way you were you were upgrading her and wanted to upgrade her though too Normand. lol You were wanting to max everything out to 20 and didn't have much rhyme or reason to how you did it and it gave her a lot holes that she wouldn't have had if you'd done it with a little more tact.

not neccasirilary the way originally upgraded rousey was max punches maybe kick takedowns subs gnp toughness stamina and ko resistance if anything its the special little clicks above the fighter name telling the fighter how to fight in the program that fucked her up ..