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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 31, 2012 17:27:08 GMT -5
 September 4, 2012
card and date subject to change
ManMMA 63 Heavyweight Title Eliminator* Kimbo Slice (10-3) vs. Chuck Liddell (12-4) Middleweight #1 Contender Bout Frank Shamrock (6-7) vs. Rich Franklin (9-7) Heavyweight Bout Jon Jones (8-6) vs. Mirko Cro Cop (8-10) Heavyweight Bout Fedor Emelianenko (9-7) vs. Andrei Arlovski (10-3) Heavyweight Bout Gary Goodridge (4-5) vs. Don Frye (2-4) Lightweight Bout Erik Koch (0-1) vs. Kenny Florian (2-2) Lightweight Bout Gilbert Melendez (6-3) vs. Benson Henderson (8-3) Lightweight Bout Dennis Siver (2-2) vs. Clay Guida (6-6) Lightweight Bout Jamie Varner (2-2) vs. Shinya Aoki (7-9) Middleweight Bout Nick Diaz (4-6) vs. Micheal Bisping (3-4) Middleweight Bout Cung Le (6-2) vs. Josh Koscheck (8-4) Middleweight Bout Jordan Mein (0-1) vs. Jason Miller (1-3) Middleweight Bout Hector Lombard (4-6) vs. Vitor Belfort (4-7) *If Slice wins, he becomes #1 contender. If he loses, Rashad Evans becomes #1 contender. [/center] |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 31, 2012 17:28:25 GMT -5
Slice
Franklin
Cro Cop
Arlovski
Goodridge
florian
Henderson
siver
aoki
bisping
Le
Miller
belfort
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 31, 2012 17:50:50 GMT -5
Personally, if Slice ACTUALLY Wins, I'd wanna see Evans vs. Slice before the title bout...  Liddell Franklin Jones (Fuck, I hate him... lol) Fedor Goodridge Koch (Can't bet against my own) Henderson Guida Varner Bisping Koscheck Mein (Again, can't go against my own.) Lombard |
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Post by Ferocity on Aug 31, 2012 18:02:36 GMT -5
Chuck Liddell
Rich Franklin
Mirko Cro Cop
Fedor Emelianenko
Gary Goodridge
Kenny Florian
Benson Henderson
Clay Guida
Shinya Aoki
Micheal Bisping
Josh Koscheck
Jason Miller
Vitor Belfort
It's going to be clucking awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 18:12:08 GMT -5
i don't get it... why not just have Rashad vs Kimbo....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2012 18:14:54 GMT -5
Chuck Liddell
Rich Franklin
Jon Jones
Andrei Arlovski
Gary Goodridge
Kenny Florian
Benson Henderson
Clay Guida
Jamie Varner
Micheal Bisping
Cung Le
Jordan Mein
Hector Lombard
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 31, 2012 20:44:53 GMT -5
i don't get it... why not just have Rashad vs Kimbo.... Rashad JUST fought. 3 times. He needs a break. Kimbo's been off for a long time. He needs a fight. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Aug 31, 2012 22:16:44 GMT -5
i don't get it... why not just have Rashad vs Kimbo.... Rashad JUST fought. 3 times. He needs a break. Kimbo's been off for a long time. He needs a fight. So?! It just takes a little longer to get a #1 contender... and another couple cards to get the title fight. But I'd rather see the right #1 contender face the champ that the actual #3 contender face the champ... Just me, but I'd rather wait. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 1, 2012 2:16:50 GMT -5
Okay, you are missing the point here. Rashad is about 1.5 and Kimbo is about 1.5. Chuck is about #2. If Kimbo loses to Chuck, he drops to 3 (Chuck to 2, since he is not in title contention spot yet, having recently lost a title shot) , moving Rashad into 1. If Kimbo wins, he moves to 1, and Rashad moves to 2 (and Chuck to 3).
Further simplified, if Kimbo beats Chuck, he is the most deserving HW of a title shot. If he doesn't, then Rashad (having just beat 2 former champions) is most deserving of a title shot.
You can also look at it like "games back" in baseball. Being 1.5 games back. Someone elses win/loss affects your "games back". If it was as clean as a #1 contender fight, I would have made it one (as you see in the MW fight on this very card).
And in regards to sitting someone for half a season - yeah, not gonna do that. This isn't Carlos Condit here. Guys need to fight. I don't sit a guy for 10 ManMMA events just to get "the right" number 1 contender, when there are a number of guys completely and utterly qualified for a title shot.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 1, 2012 3:19:54 GMT -5
If it's 1.5 to 1.5... Then this fight sholud be Rashad vs. Slice... not Lidell.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 1, 2012 12:56:52 GMT -5
Well it's not. It's Slice vs. Liddell.
Two teams are 1.5 games back. One is scheduled to play. The other is not. A loss moves you back. A win moves you forward. You don't re-arrange the whole schedule just to get the two 1.5 games back teams to play. You keep shit going and the pieces fall where they may.
If Rashad fights this fight, there is about a 95% chance he gets hurt. BAD. Do you not see the injuries people get in Grand Prix? Lots of fights in a short period of time hurts fighters, as it would in real life. Since Rashad JUST fought 3 TOUGH fights about (real time equivalent) a month ago, he is in no way fully recovered and ready for a juggernaut like Slice. Slice is in peak form. If Rashad waits, he probably gets the next #1 contender fight in about 4 ManMMAs, when he is ready. If Kimbo loses, he gets a title fight in about 4 ManMMAs when he is ready.
To further simplify:
YOU WILL NOT GET A FAIR FIGHT IF I PUT THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW
And we can probably say my 1.5 to 1.5 may not 100% accurate either, since if I needed a title fight for this card, it would be Kimbo over Rashad, since Rashad had a bad year before GP, and Kimbo did very well. Plus he has a better overall record.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 1, 2012 13:01:24 GMT -5
LOL I dunno how Slice is so good in this league, he's a loser IRL  |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 1, 2012 13:10:54 GMT -5
Oh, I'm aware. When he started he was the second-lowest rated fighter, behind Houston Alexander (whom he beat in real life).
He just somehow put it together and got wins. Same with Alexander, actually. Ratings don't make a huge difference in this league.
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Post by xx - Team Ramrod on Sept 1, 2012 18:08:16 GMT -5
I hope I don't get screwed in this Bones vs Cro Cop fight. If he had a bunch of points piled on to him we might be in trouble...
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Post by xx - Team Ramrod on Sept 1, 2012 18:15:03 GMT -5
Chuck
Franklin
Bones
Fedor
Goodridge
Florian
Benson
Guida
Varner
Bisping
Le
Miller
Belfort
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!