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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 19, 2019 10:15:36 GMT -5
In continuing the path toward the Best Picture nominees, we will discuss Black Panther. #2 BLACK PANTHER Plot: T'Challa, heir to the hidden but advanced kingdom of Wakanda, must step forward to lead his people into a new future and must confront a challenger from his country's past. IMDB Rating: 7.4/10 Rotten Tomatoes: Critics = 97% / Audience = 79% THINGS TO CONSIDER:These questions should help you think of and dissect the film you've seen. Try using some of these questions to help you participate in giving your assessment of the film and frame your opinion. 1. How did the film make you feel? 2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations? 3. Were you immersed in the world the film created? 4. Did the film accomplish what it set out to do? 5. What does the film say about the world we live in? 6. What appeal do you think the film will have for audiences? 7. What are the film's strengths? 8. What are the film’s weaknesses? 9. How does the film differentiate or distinguish itself from other work? Any additional thoughts? What would you score the film out of 10? Anything you want to ask the other viewers of this film? WARNING - EVERYTHING BELOW THIS POST WILL CONSIST OF SPOILERS |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 19, 2019 11:41:05 GMT -5
1. How did the film make you feel?
Fine. I enjoyed it.
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations?
There was a lot of political rumblings that this film was some sort of ground breaking step forward for black cinema. If that happened I must have missed it. As a whole, the film was a tolerable superhero movie, and I liked how Wakanda looked. Pretty to look at.
3. Were you immersed in the world the film created?
When I sit down to watch a Marvel movie, I know the head space I'm getting into, so yes, I was immersed.
4. Did the film accomplish what it set out to do?
The film set out to tell its story and it did that. What I think it couldn't do was deliver whatever this Black political push that was applied to it by critics. I don't think the film set out to be some crowning achievement for Black cinema. I think it got labeled by a group that stuck their flag into the film, and that's unfair.
5. What does the film say about the world we live in?
It's set in a different universe, so nothing, really.
6. What appeal do you think the film will have for audiences?
It had some strong female characters. The guard, the sister who is great with technology. A lot of strong female performances in this film. And the action was good, Wakanda was interesting as a whole. I liked the different tribes and whatnot, and the whole burying people to see ancestors. Just some neat stuff visually to enjoy. Lots of eye candy.
7. What are the film's strengths?
It was a Marvel movie, and it felt like a Marvel movie.
8. What are the film’s weaknesses?
It was a Marvel movie being labeled as some coming out party for Black cinema.
9. How does the film differentiate or distinguish itself from other work?
Wakanda is more interesting to look at than Tony Stark's house.
Any additional thoughts?
It's worth checking out if you're into Marvel, otherwise it's an alright film. It's strange that it's nominated for Best Picture. I feel like it's a chapter in an anthology, so to me it feels like Ace Ventura 2 was nominated for Best Picture because it took place in Africa.
What would you score the film out of 10?
6.5/10
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Post by Sons of Anarchy on Feb 19, 2019 16:53:41 GMT -5
1. How did the film make you feel?
Good.
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations?
It exceeded pretty well with it being the very few marvel movies I have seen
3. Were you immersed in the world the film created?
Yes I thought it was cool that Africa had all this advanced tech
4. Did the film accomplish what it set out to do?
Yes. First all black cast in a superhero movie and political
5. What does the film say about the world we live in?
Not much. A superhero movie so.
6. What appeal do you think the film will have for audiences?
Has a lot of powerful people especially women, it show s off tech aswell
7. What are the film's strengths?
Made by Marvel.
8. What are the film’s weaknesses?
None that I can really think of.
9. How does the film differentiate or distinguish itself from other work?
Again first all black superhero film with Africa having a lot of advanced tech.
Any additional thoughts?
Nope
What would you score the film out of 10?
8.5
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 20, 2019 0:04:22 GMT -5
Slightly above-average Marvel movie. If you have seen all the MCUs, you know what to expect. This delivers exactly what you expect. No more, no less.
Best picture material...? Are you fucking kidding me?
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Feb 20, 2019 0:11:57 GMT -5
1. How did the film make you feel?
it didnt make me feel anything.
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations?
i believe it exceeded my expectations.. it was a good film.
3. Were you immersed in the world the film created?
took me a bit of time but yes
4. Did the film accomplish what it set out to do?
i think it did what it was supposed to do as it pertains to entertaining people... but failed as a political black movement film.
5. What does the film say about the world we live in?
I believe it says that we are racist. because as much as wakanda was supposed to be higher technology and higher civiliation... we as movie makers had to still make them tribal savages. if they took out the implications of a retelling of the lion king then i feel it could have shown a stronger cultural significance and been less racist.
6. What appeal do you think the film will have for audiences?
It had some nice scenery.. strong female characters. and women will go to see eye candy of muscular guys.
7. What are the film's strengths?
good action
8. What are the film’s weaknesses?
It was mildly racist and sexist.
9. How does the film differentiate or distinguish itself from other work?
it doesnt really its just another marvel movie
Any additional thoughts?
It's strange that it's nominated for Best Picture. and i watched it once and i wont watch it again.
What would you score the film out of 10?
5/10
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 20, 2019 7:30:20 GMT -5
5. What does the film say about the world we live in?I believe it says that we are racist. because as much as wakanda was supposed to be higher technology and higher civiliation... we as movie makers had to still make them tribal savages. if they took out the implications of a retelling of the lion king then i feel it could have shown a stronger cultural significance and been less racist. 8. What are the film’s weaknesses?It was mildly racist and sexist. I want to discuss this more. You were opposed to the presentation of the culture of Wakanda because they had upgraded technology? |
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Post by The Sandmen on Feb 20, 2019 8:44:38 GMT -5
He was opposed to the culture of Wakanda because even though they were technologically superior to everyone (such as "the white man"), they still carried a lot of the practises and stereotypes of a primitive "jungle tribe", which can be seen as racist.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 20, 2019 9:11:27 GMT -5
I think I can appreciate that opinion, but I figured that because they are so at one with their land they just wear less clothing to feel more connected to the trees. Less material to disconnect them from the soils and the earths.
(/sarcasm)
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Feb 21, 2019 8:33:11 GMT -5
1. How did the film make you feel?
I feel I am normally in a really good move when watching Marvel movies, and I pretty much expect to be entertained, and the movie did that.
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations?
If I had not seen all the critiques saying it was the best Marvel movie yet and all these great things, then yes, it would have exceeded my expectations, but my expectations went up when all the reviews came out, and that caused it to fail to meet my expectations.
3. Were you immersed in the world the film created?
Definitely.
4. Did the film accomplish what it set out to do?
I think the film did a good job entertaining it's audience. I think it had a message that it wanted to get across for African Americans, but it also had the villain think that way, so I was kind of confused.
5. What does the film say about the world we live in?
Nothing?
6. What appeal do you think the film will have for audiences?
I think Marvel fans will enjoy it, most African Americans will love it, and racists will hate it.
7. What are the film's strengths?
The film has a good soundtrack, fun action, and in my opinion, it was a bit different than the normal Marvel movie. Michael B Jordan made a good villain.
8. What are the film’s weaknesses?
The film was not better than Infinity War, and all the political hype kind of gave it a bad taste.
9. How does the film differentiate or distinguish itself from other work?
I feel like it followed the same elements as normal Marvel movies, but at the same time, I felt this one was very different visually, and a bit darker than I'm used to, but overall, it's another Marvel movie with silly one-liners.
What would you score the film out of 10?
It's weird because I think a 7 is too high, but anything less than a 7 is too low lol. 7 I guess.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 21, 2019 8:48:09 GMT -5
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations? If I had not seen all the critiques saying it was the best Marvel movie yet and all these great things, then yes, it would have exceeded my expectations, but my expectations went up when all the reviews came out, and that caused it to fail to meet my expectations.This is why there are certain movies I basically go out of my way to try and avoid every single thing about them. For instance, I still have not seen Glass, but the trailer was so over marketed that it was impossible for me to not see at least something from it, and that upsets me. I don't like having memories of minor scenes from things I haven't seen, because either the scene in my brain is better out of context than it is in the film, or it gives out details that I am constantly waiting to see in the movie, so I get into my head instead of completely immersed. That frustrates me. My favorite trailers are basically ones that don't tell you a single thing about the movie. I felt like Inception mostly accomplished that when it was coming out at the time. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Feb 21, 2019 10:36:55 GMT -5
2. Did it exceed or fail to meet your expectations? If I had not seen all the critiques saying it was the best Marvel movie yet and all these great things, then yes, it would have exceeded my expectations, but my expectations went up when all the reviews came out, and that caused it to fail to meet my expectations.This is why there are certain movies I basically go out of my way to try and avoid every single thing about them. For instance, I still have not seen Glass, but the trailer was so over marketed that it was impossible for me to not see at least something from it, and that upsets me. I don't like having memories of minor scenes from things I haven't seen, because either the scene in my brain is better out of context than it is in the film, or it gives out details that I am constantly waiting to see in the movie, so I get into my head instead of completely immersed. That frustrates me. My favorite trailers are basically ones that don't tell you a single thing about the movie. I felt like Inception mostly accomplished that when it was coming out at the time. It's weird with me, because I usually love to go out and see Marvel movies, but I'm starting to find out I enjoy the movie more when I don't see the trailer. As for the reviews on BP, it would have been almost impossible for me not to see article titles like "Black Panther is best Marvel Movie yet!" "Rotten Tomatoes Scores Black Panther 99%!" and so on. Which got me to start thinking about if it was actually that good or if it was just because they had an all black cast. I don't think the film was bad, but I definitely don't think it's in the top 250 movies of all time. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Feb 21, 2019 12:00:53 GMT -5
This is why there are certain movies I basically go out of my way to try and avoid every single thing about them. For instance, I still have not seen Glass, but the trailer was so over marketed that it was impossible for me to not see at least something from it, and that upsets me. I don't like having memories of minor scenes from things I haven't seen, because either the scene in my brain is better out of context than it is in the film, or it gives out details that I am constantly waiting to see in the movie, so I get into my head instead of completely immersed. That frustrates me. My favorite trailers are basically ones that don't tell you a single thing about the movie. I felt like Inception mostly accomplished that when it was coming out at the time. It's weird with me, because I usually love to go out and see Marvel movies, but I'm starting to find out I enjoy the movie more when I don't see the trailer. As for the reviews on BP, it would have been almost impossible for me not to see article titles like "Black Panther is best Marvel Movie yet!" "Rotten Tomatoes Scores Black Panther 99%!" and so on. Which got me to start thinking about if it was actually that good or if it was just because they had an all black cast. I don't think the film was bad, but I definitely don't think it's in the top 250 movies of all time. Agreed. I can't trust Rotten Tomatoes anymore because a lot of times they rate a movie I liked very low, and a movie I don't care for very high, and the audience score is always wrong for me too. IMDB is usually a lot closer to the value, so I put more emphasis there, but again, there's a lot of movies I thought were fantastic that have brutal scores. Off the top of my head: The Jacket - IMDB = 7.1 versus RT: 44% audience 73% Stay - IMDB = 6.9 versus RT: 26% audience 70% And a lot of trailers reveal the entire movie, so you can watch the trailer and save your time. |
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