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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 5, 2019 11:40:08 GMT -5
What’d you guys think of the ending? I was pretty upset about how they turned Daenerys a full 180 and made her a villain. I really liked how they brought her and Jon Snow together and would’ve rather a final battle between them and the Lannisters rather than Cersei turning into a sobbing mess and Jaime doing nothing besides dying with her.
I didn’t like how they killed Danny and then made Jon non existent, he should’ve been the king.
What’d you guys think?
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Post by The Mighty Ducks on Aug 5, 2019 12:58:41 GMT -5
viking s is better
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2019 13:13:20 GMT -5
What’d you guys think of the ending? I was pretty upset about how they turned Daenerys a full 180 and made her a villain. I really liked how they brought her and Jon Snow together and would’ve rather a final battle between them and the Lannisters rather than Cersei turning into a sobbing mess and Jaime doing nothing besides dying with her. I didn’t like how they killed Danny and then made Jon non existent, he should’ve been the king. What’d you guys think? I pretty much agree with everything you said here, and disagree with everything Ducks just said. -1 Ducks for being wrong. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 5, 2019 13:43:44 GMT -5
I think it was a television show that was master class for a lot of it, and when you're trying to come to a conclusion with about 50 different engaging and incredible storylines, each arc literally contesting any other arc in any other show in history, then you have 1 show that it basically 50 different shows in one... you're not going to please everyone when you get to the ending.
Game of Thrones is a show of a continent in turmoil, and it winds down to a moment when that turmoil has, for the most part, dissipated. That's all it is. It doesn't mean in 50 years it doesn't go to hell in a hand basket again. It just means that for the first time, there's some calm.
It had engaging characters, incredible story lines and arcs, amazing visuals, some excellent fantasy elements. And then it ended. It was too big of a story to make work on a television show and yet they did make it work for about 90% of the show.
Think of some of your favorite books and how they might never, ever get made. This got made. It did well. They did what they could with the story until the writer, who even had literal fucking years to finish the fucking thing, didn't ever get around to continuing the damn story.
I do not blame the writers of the show for doing everything they could to trim down a Rain Forest of stories to get to an ending the creator of the story couldn't even be bothered to sit down and finish himself.
Good on them for making a lot of people's dreams come true to turn that story into a live-action.
Now, if you hated the ending or whatever, that's alright, because books might come one day and help you fill in an ending you preferred.
But let's not sit here and pretend it wasn't the greatest show in television history for 5-6 seasons.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Aug 5, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -5
I think it was a television show that was master class for a lot of it, and when you're trying to come to a conclusion with about 50 different engaging and incredible storylines, each arc literally contesting any other arc in any other show in history, then you have 1 show that it basically 50 different shows in one... you're not going to please everyone when you get to the ending. Game of Thrones is a show of a continent in turmoil, and it winds down to a moment when that turmoil has, for the most part, dissipated. That's all it is. It doesn't mean in 50 years it doesn't go to hell in a hand basket again. It just means that for the first time, there's some calm. It had engaging characters, incredible story lines and arcs, amazing visuals, some excellent fantasy elements. And then it ended. It was too big of a story to make work on a television show and yet they did make it work for about 90% of the show. Think of some of your favorite books and how they might never, ever get made. This got made. It did well. They did what they could with the story until the writer, who even had literal fucking years to finish the fucking thing, didn't ever get around to continuing the damn story. I do not blame the writers of the show for doing everything they could to trim down a Rain Forest of stories to get to an ending the creator of the story couldn't even be bothered to sit down and finish himself. Good on them for making a lot of people's dreams come true to turn that story into a live-action. Now, if you hated the ending or whatever, that's alright, because books might come one day and help you fill in an ending you preferred. But let's not sit here and pretend it wasn't the greatest show in television history for 5-6 seasons. True |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 5, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -5
They just went too far away from how the characters were. Dany went from a fan favourite to an evil character that everybody hated.
Cersei went from a woman who would fight until her enemies were dead to a woman who was crying cause she didn’t want to cry.
Now I get that there were many ways the show could’ve ended but they ended it in a way that left the majority of fans pissed off, that shows they messed up.
Like the battle between the mountain and the hound, they should’ve made it a battle between the Lannisters against Dany and Jon rather than making the Lannisters nonexistent and a battle between Jon and Dany, that was just complete stupidity and ruined a show that was great up until that final season.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 5, 2019 14:48:20 GMT -5
Dany - there could not have been more evidence that it was going to happen from the beginning of the show. Her whole deal was "we need to get more smart people around her to deal with how murder-crazy she is". She literally slaughtered, or wanted to slaughter, every single person who presented even the slightest disagreement.
Cersei - her hardness destroyed every relationship she had until the only people that even remotely "cared" about her, or bothered to stay around her, was an undead giant and a necromancer lol and a brother who guilt-tripped himself into going too far for his own family. No one knows what that's like at all.
A happy ending isn't a bad ending. The fact the Night King wasn't explained is what made it feel incomplete. Everything else is just a bit rushed, and probably would have worked better if it was fleshed out for the last 3 episodes more, maybe? Hard to say.
The rest is just your perspective on what you wanted. That's why people are butt-hurt. They are raging about what they thought the ending should be instead of just enjoying what it was. You don't like it, fine, but you can't take your "this is the ending that would've been better" and suggest that's what would have made it a good show, when a million different people have a million different endings.
There's a poster for Season 1 with Ned Stark and a raven on the throne. It was hinted from the start it would be the 3-eyed raven on the throne. Do I think it stumbled a bit to the end? Sure. But it still delivered and no ending would have made it better. It would just be another ending where people bitch about how it's not THEIR ending.
Again, a show that was perceived to be "impossible to film" was filmed anyways, and delivered some of the best television I've ever seen. Was praised to high hell. And the ending was never finished by the original author. There was absolutely no way the show could have delivered the hype. It did what it could, and it gave us an ending, and an entire series run, on a story that was considered to be un-filmable. I'll take it.
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2019 16:04:19 GMT -5
They just went too far away from how the characters were. Dany went from a fan favourite to an evil character that everybody hated. She was always this. If your feelings about it changed, that is on you, the audience. She burned people alive many times, she left people crucified in a desert, she committed genocide on at least 3 cultures. She always was a conqueror, and once she lost her support network which kept her grounded, she was full blown Targaeryn. |
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Post by The Quads on Aug 5, 2019 16:34:53 GMT -5
They just went too far away from how the characters were. Dany went from a fan favourite to an evil character that everybody hated. She was always this. If your feelings about it changed, that is on you, the audience. She burned people alive many times, she left people crucified in a desert, she committed genocide on at least 3 cultures. She always was a conqueror, and once she lost her support network which kept her grounded, she was full blown Targaeryn. Tbh, I thought it was symbolic that anyone can change if even enough power. Her dragon (kid) died and she went mental. |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 5, 2019 17:37:03 GMT -5
They just went too far away from how the characters were. Dany went from a fan favourite to an evil character that everybody hated. She was always this. If your feelings about it changed, that is on you, the audience. She burned people alive many times, she left people crucified in a desert, she committed genocide on at least 3 cultures. She always was a conqueror, and once she lost her support network which kept her grounded, she was full blown Targaeryn. Those people that she initially killed were all bad and she was trying to help the slaves. In the final season she murdered innocent people just for the hell of it. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2019 17:59:05 GMT -5
Those people that she initially killed were all bad and she was trying to help the slaves. In the final season she murdered innocent people just for the hell of it. No, bro. That is the whole point of the entire show. There is no "good" and "bad". Only perspective. From her perspective, everyone she killed was bad. We relate to "slavers" being killed, because we don't like slavers. Even after, when we learn not all slavers were "bad" in a traditional sense. She killed Randall and Dickon Tarley without any meaningful provocation. She always was a dictator. We were just okay with it because we agreed with her. But burning all of the leaders of the Dothraki was objectively excessive. I mean, SHE came into their country and basically said "Kneel to me, I am a God". Do you expect them to be like, "Shit, dog, she's probably legit. Here, have the keys to our entire country (which you have never lived in, Culture, which you in no way respect, and our army, which you in no way lead." The show has introduced "bad" characters, just to spend the entire series fleshing them out so that you no longer hate them as you once did (Jaime Lannister, for example). Dany is just the opposite. She is always the underdog, so we like her. Then, when she is not, she still fights with the same fire and blood she did when she was, except now from a position of power. At that point, we recognize her as the bully that she was always was. |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Aug 5, 2019 18:16:17 GMT -5
Not true dude, she never killed innocent people. There was always a reason for her to kill the people she did until the final season.
She had 0 reason to kill all of the innocent people in King’s Landing.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 5, 2019 18:48:43 GMT -5
Not true dude, she never killed innocent people. There was always a reason for her to kill the people she did until the final season. She had 0 reason to kill all of the innocent people in King’s Landing. History is written by the victors. Most of history that is written are done in a way to glorify what they accomplished. It's revisionist history. No matter the circumstances, if it fits their perspective of culture and environment, that is what they will write it as. Case in point: if I feel like it's wrong for people to, say, cut down trees to build their houses, so I slaughter everyone with a house, and where I come from, trees are respected, then my people will feel like I eradicated a problem. Instead of educating, I kill them, because they did the harm, so they must be harmful people. Let's say I lose that battle. Now, the victors (my opposition) write of a story where a crazy tribe of tree-lovers came in and were cut down. I'll probably even commission a tree-carving out the depiction of a battle scene from that moment. It doesn't really matter who is right or wrong, it just is. Whether you're on one side or the other is irrelevant. It's just history, and history is always interpreted, wrongfully, by assigning what your society and environment is NOW against what has happened. If you look objectively at the story, and it's totally cool to cheer for one side or the other, and just accept that what was shown "happened", then you get to look at it as seeing a downfall, whether you care or not. It's awesome that you care. But it's better to just view it and see how it unfolded. Even the greatest leaders in history died. Sometimes terribly, sometimes not. GRRM has made it known he is basically obsessed with history. It's why most of the things in GoT events are derived specifically from real-life accounts of happenings. Her reason to destroy King's Landing, in her brain, is that she resented a family that wanted to kill her off, and when she got there, her right-hand lady was killed, and Cersei's tactics pissed her off. So, instead of rising up as a true leader, she conquered and slaughtered. And no one could do anything about it. She let 1 more person get close to her, Jon, and he did what he felt was right to prevent it from happening again. But let's not pretend she didn't do the same shit all across Essos. She was bad ass and the odds were against her. When they were ridiculously in her favor, she was still all bloodshed and no prisoner. Tyrant. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Aug 5, 2019 19:14:53 GMT -5
Not true dude, she never killed innocent people. There was always a reason for her to kill the people she did until the final season. She had 0 reason to kill all of the innocent people in King’s Landing. (this is probably what Mike said above - i started typing it an hour ago, then got side-tracked, then continued, and he posted since I started it - will read his reply in a few minutes. I have a PM now). Just because you agree with her does not mean she did not kill innocent people. Aside from the people I listed above, she also killed Mossador, Varys, and a ton of Masters. Again, I don't think you fully understand how slave cultures work. Slavery is all owners and slaves have known. it is the cultural norm. Case in point. You own pets. You do not think you are evil. Some people think owning pets is slavery. You do not. If they killed you and freed pets, they would consider that not killing innocent people. You would disagree. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Aug 5, 2019 20:51:47 GMT -5
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