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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 4, 2019 13:05:26 GMT -5
Hello everyone, as you're all aware, teams earn a point when their fighter wins a belt. Cool. I'm here to suggest something that in my opinion would add more value to championship reigns. I'd like to propose a new rule that would make it so champions continue to earn bonus points for consecutive defenses. Not one point each defense, but maybe a point every 3, or maybe a defense is a milestone point. Five defenses is 1, 10 is two, 15 is three, and maybe 20 is like five or something. Defending the title that many times isn't easy, so I think it'd be fair to start earning more points out of these defenses. Thoughts? Additions? Subtractions?
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 4, 2019 17:11:26 GMT -5
If we are going to consider this, something like a fighter's win streak best be accurate in the MR. If. You. Know. What. I. Mean. #HollyHolm
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 4, 2019 17:40:34 GMT -5
If we are going to consider this, something like a fighter's win streak best be accurate in the MR. If. You. Know. What. I. Mean. #HollyHolm  |
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Post by xx - Former Bulldozers on Dec 4, 2019 17:43:01 GMT -5
Since Jessica Eye has defended her belt many times now, would I be awarded all points starting from her initial win or would this be starting from the current event?
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 4, 2019 20:30:36 GMT -5
Since Jessica Eye has defended her belt many times now, would I be awarded all points starting from her initial win or would this be starting from the current event? That could be up for discussion, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I think it'd be fair to start from current event otherwise we'd have to go back and give points to all teams that had many successive defenses, but that could be a topic of discussion. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 4, 2019 23:00:18 GMT -5
Since Jessica Eye has defended her belt many times now, would I be awarded all points starting from her initial win or would this be starting from the current event? That could be up for discussion, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but I think it'd be fair to start from current event otherwise we'd have to go back and give points to all teams that had many successive defenses, but that could be a topic of discussion. current event would make sense if this gets approved. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 4, 2019 23:33:18 GMT -5
I suggest making it 7 defenses (which is one full season). There is a luck-timing factor involved with anything less. It is harder to get a 5-fight defense streak going around Zenith than it is in the middle of the season, for example, simply because of how booking works.
My only other lingering concern is this is just another one of those things that will push the "good" teams farther ahead of the weaker teams, is it not?
For me the thing that cancels that out is the element of additional complications/strategy it brings about when it comes time to consider the GP. Some teams want to drop belts for a better GP team. But if they are close to a 7 fight defence streak, they have more complicated decisions to make. I like that aspect a lot.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 5, 2019 6:11:18 GMT -5
I suggest making it 7 defenses (which is one full season). There is a luck-timing factor involved with anything less. It is harder to get a 5-fight defense streak going around Zenith than it is in the middle of the season, for example, simply because of how booking works. My only other lingering concern is this is just another one of those things that will push the "good" teams farther ahead of the weaker teams, is it not? For me the thing that cancels that out is the element of additional complications/strategy it brings about when it comes time to consider the GP. Some teams want to drop belts for a better GP team. But if they are close to a 7 fight defence streak, they have more complicated decisions to make. I like that aspect a lot. Okay but what about the leveling thing? If they have 14 straight is it two points? Because I liked the idea of 5 then 10 then 15 then 20. And I think that luck of the draw factor with five straight intrigues me more than seven straight. Plus it's already rare for a champ to rack up that many defenses. I'm going to check what the average total defenses are per reign. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 5, 2019 9:21:17 GMT -5
I honestly didn't like this because of the whole "benefit the wealthy, nothing for the poor" aspect, but then I read all the takes here and I'm leaning toward liking it.
I think to really hammer this home, we need a few things:
1. What is the average total title defenses a champion has had across each division? And in total?
2. What are the longest title defenses and when did they lose the belt, so we can look at historical versus recent title swaps, to see the difficulty adjustment. I say this because I feel like 7 title defenses from ManMMA 1 to 350 was probably more likely than 350 to current?
3. Because of the Zenith aspect and GP and whatnot, should we make it so that you only earn the point if you also successfully defended during a Zenith at some point in that run?
Thoughts?
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 5, 2019 9:27:14 GMT -5
I honestly didn't like this because of the whole "benefit the wealthy, nothing for the poor" aspect, but then I read all the takes here and I'm leaning toward liking it. I think to really hammer this home, we need a few things: 1. What is the average total title defenses a champion has had across each division? And in total? 2. What are the longest title defenses and when did they lose the belt, so we can look at historical versus recent title swaps, to see the difficulty adjustment. I say this because I feel like 7 title defenses from ManMMA 1 to 350 was probably more likely than 350 to current? 3. Because of the Zenith aspect and GP and whatnot, should we make it so that you only earn the point if you also successfully defended during a Zenith at some point in that run? Thoughts? FW - 6.3 57 Defenses in 9 Reigns Outliers: Joanna Jedrzejczyk (26) Five or more defense reigns: 3/9 (33%) BW - 2.58 93 Defenses in 36 Reigns Outliers: Cris Cyborg (12) Gina Carano (13) Five or more defense reigns: 8/36 (22%) WW - .77 7 Defenses in 9 Reigns Outliers: Penn (5) Five or more defense reigns: 1/9 (11%) Old LW - 3 87 Defences in 29 Reigns Outliers: Gomi (20) Aoki (17) Five or more defense reigns: 6/29 (20.6%) New LW - 1 3 defences in 3 reigns Outliers: Aldo (3) Five or more defense reigns: 0/3 MW - 1.7 71 Defences in 40 Reigns Outliers: Wanderlei (15) Rumble (12) Lawler (11) Anderson (10) Five or more defense reigns: 5/40 (12.5%) HW - 2 94 Defences in 47 Reigns Outliers: Velasquez (9) Five or more defense reigns: 6/47 (12.7%) |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 5, 2019 10:30:59 GMT -5
3. Because of the Zenith aspect and GP and whatnot, should we make it so that you only earn the point if you also successfully defended during a Zenith at some point in that run? Thoughts? 21/38 successful defences through the first ten Zeniths 14/16 from Zenith 11 to 14 Zenith 15 on, where we first had 6 defenses per Zenith, it was: 33/56 So about half and half counting SuperFight defenses |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 5, 2019 23:56:11 GMT -5
to settle the give to the rich and not the poor....
we could...
give out 2 points.. everytime a champion gets a point for defences the team in last place gets a point.
also i would suggest that if a fighter defends 7 times(or whatever the number is) then that point can only be used on that fighter... whereas the team i last place can use gheir point on anyone on their team.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 6, 2019 0:57:21 GMT -5
I think 5 is the most reasonable number of defences for the point, but there are logistical problems with 5 (season schedule related), so I still strongly feel it has to be 7 (which is unfortunately a more exponentially difficult number to reach). My logic brain also agreed with xx - Team GAP that it makes sense for the point to be bound to the fighter that earned the defences, but I don't think it makes sense game-wise, because in all liklihood that fighter will be capped and unable to use said points. They then just become another thing we have to keep track of. At this time I am not comfortable overclocking more guys. Especially when not everyone has used their 100-fight point, and, again, its just another thing to keep track of. I like the idea that a dominant champion can help out the shitty guys on their team by earning points the project fighters can use though. Sometimes, damn logic. Cuz game. Give last place a point - I think there are logistic problems there too, but I don't think strongly enough that I care to oppose it outright at the moment. I always have problems with this whole "last place team" thing because the way we are structured, it is absolutely possible the last place team may very well be the team with the dominant champion. It's happened before. A single fighters success or failures don't really reflect a team's standing, just as a team's standing doesn't always reflect their best fighter. I will think on this more and give a real reply, those are just initial reactions. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Dec 6, 2019 8:18:18 GMT -5
to settle the give to the rich and not the poor.... we could... give out 2 points.. everytime a champion gets a point for defences the team in last place gets a point. also i would suggest that if a fighter defends 7 times(or whatever the number is) then that point can only be used on that fighter... whereas the team i last place can use gheir point on anyone on their team. I'm not sure I agree with this, if it happens early in the season, the last place team might not reflect the worst team but just have a team that had a few bad cards. I stand by five defenses and the one point for the champ team, but I get the logistical reasons why that isn't the best choice. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 6, 2019 22:53:39 GMT -5
what do you suggest for the "give to the rich and piss on the poor" problem?
If you feel that the real worst team would not gain a benefit then any points that would be gained could be given at the end of the season.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!