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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 3, 2012 4:07:36 GMT -5
Whether a draft pick is a 1st round pick or a 10th round pick... you should have the same options.. Pick a fighter, Swap a fighter, or gain a point, and put a maximum on how many points you can gain through a draft; such as you can only gain a max of 2 points during a draft. This way it still allows the managers to have options during a draft... other than saying you need to trade it away... cause what if nobody wants to trade for your last round pick? then you have to throw your pick away and then it's not fair to that person because other people got to use all three picks.. also the way it is currently you just need to give up a second round pick for a point and then do what you wanna do on your third round pick... but of course at that point the person you wanted may be gone. I think this should be considered and not immediately dismissed.. i feel my opinions may help the draft process. thanks for listening
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 3, 2012 6:24:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Allow 3rd round picks to be used as points. By doing so, it will further get GMs to dump their shitty fighter in round 2 knowing they could still acquire a point in round 3, but only for this year, because after this year I don't think there are 3rd round picks.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 3, 2012 11:07:21 GMT -5
Agreed. Allow 3rd round picks to be used as points. By doing so, it will further get GMs to dump their shitty fighter in round 2 knowing they could still acquire a point in round 3, but only for this year, because after this year I don't think there are 3rd round picks. Did we just agree with each other???? weird... |
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Post by Ferocity on Nov 3, 2012 15:47:15 GMT -5
isn't it a little late in the game for this discussion? Next draft...
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 3, 2012 16:05:06 GMT -5
We never had it, we said we would after the last vote and then the Grand Prix took over, so we forgot about it.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 3, 2012 18:00:09 GMT -5
I didn't forget about it, I just ran out of time and decided putting the whole season on hold just to get it figured out was pointless. So I did what we do every season - base the draft on needs. The good teams don't need to get better with more points. But the bad teams DO need to get better with better fighters.
The reason we don't do 3 rounds of add-a-fighter is because I am comfortable with the number of bodies in the league right now. Every extra fighter who sucks (Koch) takes the spot of a possible contender fight that means something.
If no one wants your pick for the last round, get your ass in gear. Do what I did. Trade those picks. Or save the swap for the 3rd round, drafting your points in the second, etc. I donno if anyone noticed, but we made this draft incredibly strategic. You could pick a nobody in the second round, or you could wait and gamble that that guy would still be there in the third, and take a point in the second. Again, it all benefits the shitty teams.
In terms of "not fair because you had to throw your pick away", the 3rd round was a bonus round due to the depth of the draft. We have never had a 3-round draft before. So even if you skip the pick, you walk away with nothing lost. Your 1st and 2nd round picks were worth what they would be worth if this was a 2 round draft. The BONUS 3rd round is BONUS, and has been used as such. Lots of teams got points for their 3rd round pick via trade, etc. BONUS.
And in terms of the pick itself, I still say it most definitely is fair because either a) you are happy with your team and don;t want to lose anyone. In which case, you are happy. b) your guys are better than what is available in the 3rd round. In which case, your team is good, and you have no need for 3rd rounders. Thus, you should be happy. or c) you can trade your pick to someone who does want new guys. Thus making your 3rd round pick worth something. Thus, you should be happy or d) you do nothing with your pick at all and skip the round.Jt was a bonus round to begin with. You normally would not have even had the round to "skip". Thus, you should be happy. Or at least neutral.
I really liked the structure of this draft because as long as you actually planned for it, you could come out massively on top. I think a lot of the shitty teams did great this year because of the draft structure.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Nov 3, 2012 18:39:42 GMT -5
I know my team got infinitely better than last year, but at the same time, I think it's kind of arrogant of you to sit there and tell GAP that if he'd prepared for it, it would've went better for him. The reality is that he's brand new to the league and it's really difficult to prepare for something when you know nothing of the process. Sure it's great for you cuz 1) you've been here since the beginning and 2) you set up the structure for the draft this year, so you understand it better than anyone. Someone new like GAP won't have that feather in his cap yet cuz he's green. Just because you get it, and came out like a bandit on this draft, doesn't mean everyone will or should for that matter.
I know I had a hell of a time last season in my first draft, mostly because both rounds were swap picks, and I really didn't have anyone I wanted to drop, but I took Jason MacD anyways with my first and ended up skipping my second cuz we weren't allowed to draft points last year and I wasted my 2nd round pick by skipping it. The structure is getting better, but when it changes every season, it does make it hard to keep track of.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Nov 3, 2012 20:47:05 GMT -5
Fair enough. I didn't really care either way to be honest.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 3, 2012 22:07:37 GMT -5
I know my team got infinitely better than last year, Exactly. You were one of the shit teams that benefited BIG TIME from this draft. Congrats. I think it's kind of arrogant of you to sit there and tell GAP that if he'd prepared for it, it would've went better for him. Why is this opinion arrogant of me? Is it because: 1) GAP had a better season than me, thus has a better team? 2) Or because no-one, including myself, knew what we were doing until we ran out of time? Meaning the day I posted the draft info, was the day I decided what we were doing. Meaning we ALL had EXACTLY the same amount of time to do everything we did. 3) Or is it because I spent HOURS talking to pretty much everyone in the league, working my fucking ASS off to get my draft picks dealt (through about 6 different trades) in a way that worked? Was it THAT preparation AFTER the pick info was posted that was arrogant? 4) Or am i arrogant because, as you say, I have been here since the beginning, and therefore know some super secret something or other you saw me pull out of my hat here to swindle every new guy here? Please clarify so I can better address the problem you are having. The reality is that he's brand new to the league and it's really difficult to prepare for something when you know nothing of the process. The process was posted on October 26th. No clarification questions were asked by anyone. Just because you get it, and came out like a bandit on this draft, doesn't mean everyone will or should for that matter. Okay, so now you are saying the draft was confusing to you? GAP did not say this, so you brought this to the table. I thought by using crystal clear blue font in the draft post, it was pretty damned clear what was happening this off-season. And for that matter, the Draft information was posted on October 26. This suggestion was posted Nov. 3, after two and a half rounds of drafts. It's not bad to suggest anything, ever. But to make it sound like GAP was saving the day and I ignored him and raped the draft for my own benefit sounds more like Kruze being Kruze than it does logical. Should I have undone the first 3 rounds of drafting to retroactively put this suggestion into place? Nearly a week after the first pick of the draft was selected? And what about all the trades that were done leading up to the draft? Do you not think those of you who traded 2nds would be annoyed if they learned now, 5 days into the draft, they could have added a fighter in that round? I am here pretty much all the time. If anything about the draft, league, or site confuses you in ANY way, you can contact me. But I can't do anything a week after the fact. Regardless of how much Kruze likes to blame me for Hitler's birth. I know I had a hell of a time last season in my first draft, mostly because both rounds were swap picks, and I really didn't have anyone I wanted to drop. Yes, last season we had different league needs. We had a shallower FA pool, and more members, with less activity. This is why the draft changes every year. I have no idea what it will be like next year because I do not know what the landscape of the league will look like. and I wasted my 2nd round pick by skipping it. You didn't waste your second, your opted to not use it. You could have swapped people you swapped this year, but you chose to stick with them. This is the gamble of the draft structure. But it creates accountability and responsibility. |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 3, 2012 23:45:57 GMT -5
All I was trying to say was when you posted the poll about us having a 3rd pick we were discussing the fact we wanted the third pick to be able to use it for a point also. and you basically ignored our request and said no to it... all i'm doing now is to suggest that if in the future we should be able to use our third pick for the same as the first 2 roounds.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 4, 2012 0:30:11 GMT -5
I didn't ignore it, I was going to poll it. Then the 3rd round pick poll itself took longer than expected to close, then it was no longer practical to post another poll about whether it should be worth points. But if it helps any, the likelihood of having a 3rd round next draft is almost nil.  In the past, we have seen that 2 rounds is more than enough for anyone, as half the league usually skips the second round. This one, we added the bonus round due to unforeseen draft depth (losing 4 members). That depth will likely not be there next season, so it's very possible we are talking about a moot issue here. But we will see what the future brings. |
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In the past, we have seen that 2 rounds is more than enough for anyone, as half the league usually skips the second round. This one, we added the bonus round due to unforeseen draft depth (losing 4 members). That depth will likely not be there next season, so it's very possible we are talking about a moot issue here. But we will see what the future brings.