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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 29, 2013 0:48:23 GMT -5
I figure this is a pertinent juncture post this. Many folks have certain perception of me because I react to things rather than just let things go sometimes; some justified, some not... but there is perception of me that needs to be addressed.
1)If something requires a direct response, I WILL do so. I'll let things build; meaning: if the same thing comes up more than 3 times, I'll address it, other than my usual banter... but Hell hath no fury; call me a female.. I don't give a rat's ass.
2) I am NOT HammerFists/RocketMen! Don't expect me to be the same as he was. I've had to fight to where I'm at right now, and you should do the same.
3)It Ends Now! Rivalries can come ;after..Score.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 29, 2013 0:59:27 GMT -5
Figured because of momentum and technique, Re: had this last week... BOOK THE MEETING.
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 29, 2013 2:39:17 GMT -5
I've had to fight to where I'm at right now, and you should do the same. Not to take anything away from this thread, but I absolutely must to clarify this one point (for you and others) - the "fight to get where I'm at" thing - that "fighting" actually held/holds you back. You got where you are on this site from your work ethic and dedication. They are impeccable. They made you the go-to guy when stuff needs done. The fight part, however, that's what hinders, and creates conflict. I know what you are trying to say here, but I want the credit you are due to come from the positive things you do (perhaps that people do not see), rather than the negative things that perhaps they do see.  |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 29, 2013 14:57:39 GMT -5
I respect Kruze for the hard work he puts into this site and not for his eagerness in confrontations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2013 2:34:09 GMT -5
4. Kruze often likes to sit in a room and lick himself. If you see random severe spelling mistakes, or random severe spacing, chances are, he is trying to multi task.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 30, 2013 13:51:31 GMT -5
I've had to fight to where I'm at right now, and you should do the same. Not to take anything away from this thread, but I absolutely must to clarify this one point (for you and others) - the "fight to get where I'm at" thing - that "fighting" actually held/holds you back. You got where you are on this site from your work ethic and dedication. They are impeccable. They made you the go-to guy when stuff needs done. The fight part, however, that's what hinders, and creates conflict. I know what you are trying to say here, but I want the credit you are due to come from the positive things you do (perhaps that people do not see), rather than the negative things that perhaps they do see.  With all due respect, it's a bit difficult to come up with a hugely positive way to spin it because what I meant by the "fighting to get where I am" thing, wasn't the fighting or bickering on the boards... What I was eluding to was the fact that I've never really been awarded too many special favors; ie. receiving discounted and/or really good fighters for cheap, etc. Yet at my first crack, I'm expected to do the exact same as what RocketMen did in trading away a top tier fighter for nothing. But when I try and get fair value for that fighter, I'm accused of not putting the league first, and being difficult to negotiate with because I'm not doing what RocketMen did when dealing with others. Yet when I got Brock, I was expected to pay full price and, in the end, ended up overpaying for him, simply in terms of how others were getting smoking deals for fighters, but I wasn't afforded the same charity. So, quid pro quo... forgive me for being a bit of a wet blanket on this one, and not being that sympathetic when someone approaches me wanting one of those "smokin' deals" for good fighters and I'm not too keen on doing it since I wasn't afforded that myself when I had an even shittier team than I have now. I'm sorry if folks don't like that, but the precedent was set for me early on that there would be no free rides, so, moving forward in my new position, I'll be following the principle that was extended to me by the staff previous to me. If RocketMen chooses to continue giving folks deals on his fighters; he's free to do so. I just don't feel that it's fair that I should be EXPECTED to, though I'm not going to completely rule it out either. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 30, 2013 14:06:46 GMT -5
I thought this thread was going to be about Kruze specifically, and instead it's just another avenue for him to say "I'm going to do things this way and fuck the haters." I was genuinely interested in what he had to say onjly to see that the majority of it is disjointed and nonsensical sentences that somehow relates to how he's going to argue or something. No need for this thread, no need to suggest what I'm doing isn't fair to myself as it would be if you did it to yourself.
If all there is to do on this site is come on here and see Kruze having more pity parties, then really, what's the point? I have much better things to do with my time.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 30, 2013 14:15:47 GMT -5
I thought this thread was going to be about Kruze specifically, and instead it's just another avenue for him to say "I'm going to do things this way and fuck the haters." I was genuinely interested in what he had to say onjly to see that the majority of it is disjointed and nonsensical sentences that somehow relates to how he's going to argue or something. No need for this thread, no need to suggest what I'm doing isn't fair to myself as it would be if you did it to yourself. If all there is to do on this site is come on here and see Kruze having more pity parties, then really, what's the point? I have much better things to do with my time. On the contrary, I'm not saying that it's unfair for you to do what you do at all. If it works for you, kool. I wasn't suggesting anything else. It's just that it came to light in my recent deal with Byron that I was being "difficult" because I wasn't really willing to do what you do and some how that reflected negatively on me when I'm not you at all. I don't think it's fair to judge my actions based on what someone else did/does, do you? |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 30, 2013 14:20:02 GMT -5
I do to a degree. I think that if a precedent is set by those who comment a lot and thus earn enough points that they can turn whatever fighter they want into a decent contender then a member who wants to be more active and pursue an already good fighter to build better through their limited means of participation should be acknowledged by all staff members.
It's why I give away good fighters when others come in. I get more enjoyability out of the site when others are enjoying it more. And if I can provide them with more enjoyability by giving or trading a good fighter for a lesser competitor, I'll do it.
If that's something you're not willing to do, so be it, but that's a decision you make and you can't get upset for someone appreciating a staff member or an incredibly active member of the site who does that over you. That's just how it is. If you want people to like you more on the site then give back more. If you don't want to, then just accept how people look at you if you're comfortable in demanding that someone give you a point because the league gave those less-fortunate post-counters points.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 30, 2013 14:38:14 GMT -5
I do to a degree. I think that if a precedent is set by those who comment a lot and thus earn enough points that they can turn whatever fighter they want into a decent contender then a member who wants to be more active and pursue an already good fighter to build better through their limited means of participation should be acknowledged by all staff members. It's why I give away good fighters when others come in. I get more enjoyability out of the site when others are enjoying it more. And if I can provide them with more enjoyability by giving or trading a good fighter for a lesser competitor, I'll do it. If that's something you're not willing to do, so be it, but that's a decision you make and you can't get upset for someone appreciating a staff member or an incredibly active member of the site who does that over you. That's just how it is. If you want people to like you more on the site then give back more. If you don't want to, then just accept how people look at you if you're comfortable in demanding that someone give you a point because the league gave those less-fortunate post-counters points. I don't disagree with that and I would be willing to look at it if it's a feasible move to do so. The major problem that I have with it as it is right now is that it's just "expected" and not "offered". It's my feeling that there's allot of other ways of giving back to the league than making your own mediocre, mid-tier team less competitive. And with all due respect, this rule of thumb of yours that you "get more enjoyability out of the site when others are enjoying it more.", really didn't get applied to me. Now it was my own damn fault that I started ignoring when it became clear that I wasn't being extended that "giving" mentality, but really, if I had said that to you at the time, I'm pretty certain that you would've said that I was trying to rip you off. Thing is that I know that sounds like me being a bit of a whiny bitch, but at the same time, it's where I'm coming from in terms of extending that courtesy to others... which is exactly what I feel it is, a courtesy; not a right. I hope that kinda makes sense. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 30, 2013 14:50:54 GMT -5
ie. receiving discounted and/or really good fighters for cheap, etc. You are looking at it from the wrong end. Mike was not the one RECIEVING smoking deals. As staff, he was the one GIVING THEM OUT. He offered to trade you Brock for a CHEAP sum, you kept ignoring him (for over an hour) so he traded him to me. That was 100% on you for ignoring charity. I have also come to you with charity several times but you continue to bitch about the gift horse, and never see the charity when it comes. The difference is, others do, and they appreciate it. You seem to not appreciate anything. Even this staff position. This post reads like, "Fuck you, I got here by working for it, no one gave me anything"...Ummmm, pretty sure I gave you a staff position, dude... when I had an even shittier team than I have now. From you, this is never an acceptable argument. You made your choice of fighters, and I have REPEATEDLY told you the would suck, but you got mad and said, "Let me do what I want with my fighters". You wanted them. No one forced you to keep Jason MacDonald, Jordan Mein, Diego Nunes, Ed Herman, and the dozen other "WTF" fighters you have collected. 100% you. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 30, 2013 14:59:02 GMT -5
And with all due respect, this rule of thumb of yours that you "get more enjoyability out of the site when others are enjoying it more.", really didn't get applied to me. 100% BULLSHIT. Mike had Brock. Brock was former champion and upgraded. He offered him to you for 3 points and a pick LITERALLY 2 months after Jim Miller (unupgraded, non champion) went for 4 points. Even after Mike got pissed off because you were ignoring him to bicker with someone else, he traded Brock to me and you STILL got him for 4 points and a pick. STILL a HUGE bargain over the Jim Miller deal. That was the going rate for fighters at the time, and you got a clean sweep BARGAIN. Instead of being grateful, you blame ROcketmen and I for YOU ignoring Mike and having to pay the extra point. That was 100% you, man. Mike warned you REPEATEDLY. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 30, 2013 15:08:56 GMT -5
ie. receiving discounted and/or really good fighters for cheap, etc. You are looking at it from the wrong end. Mike was not the one RECIEVING smoking deals. As staff, he was the one GIVING THEM OUT. He offered to trade you Brock for a CHEAP sum, you kept ignoring him (for over an hour) so he traded him to me. That was 100% on you for ignoring charity. I have also come to you with charity several times but you continue to bitch about the gift horse, and never see the charity when it comes. The difference is, others do, and they appreciate it. You seem to not appreciate anything. Even this staff position. This post reads like, "Fuck you, I got here by working for it, no one gave me anything"...Ummmm, pretty sure I gave you a staff position, dude... when I had an even shittier team than I have now. From you, this is never an acceptable argument. You made your choice of fighters, and I have REPEATEDLY told you the would suck, but you got mad and said, "Let me do what I want with my fighters". You wanted them. No one forced you to keep Jason MacDonald, Jordan Mein, Diego Nunes, Ed Herman, and the dozen other "WTF" fighters you have collected. 100% you. 1) I never said Mike was on the RECEIVING end of these smoking deals; he was the one offering them out now I'm forced to bear the brunt of it when I don't do the same thing. I don't believe that's fair. 2) He never offered to trade me Brock for CHEAP. If it was for cheap, I wouldn't have been ignoring him. He wanted 1 point less than what you ended up getting for him from me. At the time, Brock was in his tailspin too and shouldn't have been that expensive anyways. But again, that just accents the double standard here because you ended up getting more than Mike's asking price, but I ask for 1 point in my deal for Fitch and you claim that's not putting the league first, yet it's perfectly ok for you to ask for an extra point just because. 3) Your idea of charity is offering me fighters I don't want and then asking for a body + points or picks on top of them. That's not charity. 4) Them "sucking" is subjective to you since you make the fighters. Fighters will be better or worse based on what you think of them on top of what your criteria is for making them. Picking them is on me, but how they're made is actually on you; 50/50 there. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Sept 30, 2013 15:22:30 GMT -5
4) Them "sucking" is subjective to you since you make the fighters. Fighters will be better or worse based on what you think of them on top of what your criteria is for making them. Picking them is on me, but how they're made is actually on you; 50/50 there. Lol. I know you want me to make Jordan Mein and Jason MacDonald as good as GSP and Anderson Silva. You have PMed me your arguments for that dozens of times. I said it then, and I will say it now. NOT HAPPENING. (Also, for those who care, PHX also sent me a PM about how Sarah D should be rated one of the highest women in the league too, cause she lost to Rousey, but it was controversial. #PhoenixLogic) |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Sept 30, 2013 15:27:04 GMT -5
4) Them "sucking" is subjective to you since you make the fighters. Fighters will be better or worse based on what you think of them on top of what your criteria is for making them. Picking them is on me, but how they're made is actually on you; 50/50 there. Lol. I know you want me to make Jordan Mein and Jason MacDonald as good as Anderson Silva. You have PMed me your arguments for that dozens of times. I said it then, and I will say it now. NOT HAPPENING. (Also, for those who care, PHX also sent me a PM about how Sarah D should be rated one of the highest women in the league too, cause she lost to Rousey, but it was controversial. #PhoenixLogic) I never said they should be as good as Anderson Silva... Never once. Quit putting words in my mouth... that's you assuming that's what I mean and nothing any more factual than that. And again putting words in my mouth... I never said she should be one of the highest women because she had a controversial loss to Rousey... I said she should be one of the higher rated women because she is Top 10 in the world at Bantamweight. There's a big difference there. |
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!