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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 29, 2013 14:06:30 GMT -5
I could not agree more. Every time I win something and get 10% happy, there is 35% drama that brings it right back down again. Part of the reason we went with a hard No on this front, and are just moving on.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2013 2:25:30 GMT -5
i'll give you hard no.. and move on... #middlefinger
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2013 2:27:06 GMT -5
You've just shown you don't give a shit about the concerns of people on this site. #anothermiddlefinger
Thank you very fucking much. Asshole!
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 4:15:00 GMT -5
No problem. Thanks for coming out, kiddo.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 4:25:35 GMT -5
Since I was in the simulator processing your upgrade, I collected another fact-based stat for you.
Number of Top 10 Fighters on ManMMA based on Overall
On Sandmen: 2 (Anderson, Hansen)
On GAP: 3 (Sanchez, Fedor, Jones) - Gonzaga was ranked 13th.
That again shows the lack of bias right there. I can't control how guys fight, or what upgrades work for what fighters. But in terms of how developed guys are, or who has better fighters, you're beating me in every way any of us have control over.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Nov 30, 2013 12:17:20 GMT -5
Who has been in last place in last 2 seasons in a row? I've taken advantage of people quitting... only reason i have the three..
this isn't about me vs you.. its about you taking a back seat for the league since you run it. your simply not gonna do it which is not right.
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Post by The Sandmen on Nov 30, 2013 18:34:04 GMT -5
Kiddo, if you knew what went on behind the scenes, this would not even be a question. I've been doing that since long before you showed up.
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Post by Ferocity on Nov 30, 2013 20:37:51 GMT -5
Here's the deal: Sandman did not intentionally win all 4 belts at once. He knew the second he found this out and made the damn banner that he'd be on here defending it, when there's nothing to defend except that his guys got lucky all at the same damn time. It happens. I've had two people hold titles at once, and I DON'T post enough to matter, but I do pick up good people and do my best to make them better in WAYS THAT MATTER.
On the other hand, if Sandman called me kiddo as many times as he called GAP kiddo, i'd want to punch him in the face.
So stop being asses. Beat Sandman legit.
I understand the concern re:post count, but I think we have to wait. See if this lasts.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 1, 2013 3:12:35 GMT -5
I also wanna punch sandmen in the face for the kiddo thing but instead of arguing about that.. I'd prefer if 1 person could understand what I'm saying and then explain it to everyone else cause nobody seems to be getting my point.
Main point: Owner of the site should never hold all the belts as it looks bad. It appears as if Sandmen is cheating.. and I'm thinking this next card he will lose a belt simply because I'm making a big ruckus about this crappy behavior.. so really either result... Sandmen rigs the results. this is what it looks like even if it's not true. thus.. Sandmen should lose so that it does not look bad anymore.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 1, 2013 3:13:36 GMT -5
p.s. due to this possible seedy behavior.. there is no winning legit. legit does not exist here.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 1, 2013 5:42:07 GMT -5
Main point: Owner of the site should never hold all the belts as it looks bad. It appears as if Sandmen is cheating.. and I'm thinking this next card he will lose a belt simply because I'm making a big ruckus about this crappy behaviour.. so really either result... Sandmen rigs the results. this is what it looks like even if it's not true. thus.. Sandmen should lose so that it does not look bad anymore. And this is why we didn't really give your suggestion a lot of consideration. You are saying here that no matter what happens on the next card, I cheated and rigged the result. You have ignored the fact that the 4th champion hasn't been touched in nearly a full real-time year, and have not proposed any feasible solution to the actual problem (which you say here is that I hold belts, not that I upgrade, not that I get points, etc). You have also been here for about a year, and this, just now, is the first time you have mentioned anything about cheating. As a matter of fact, about a week or so ago you said the opposite; that clearly neither myself nor Phoenix was cheating. Phoenix has said no one should be forced to trade people they like, and I like my whole team (Gracie is slipping and Kawajiri is on the fence), but the rest I really like. So no one seems to be proposing I should trade any of the champion fighters (Though, as I said, Le was offered to Byron when the Rich Franklin situation came up). There is no way to control the results of the simulator (Phoenix can attest to this - though he experiments with it more than I do, I think he would still agree there is tons of shit you just never see coming or that makes no sense). And I have been pretty open with overalls, upgrades, and builds. Before your time, I traded many GOOD fighters that I really liked (Brock Lesnar, Alistair Overeem) and some I strongly developed (Kimbo Slice, Benson Henderson, Brian Stann, Sam Stout). Does holding 4 of 4 belts look bad? Sure. But here's the thing...there are 10 teams here. I was not the first team to hold a belt. I was not the first team to hold 2 belts. And I was not the first team to hold 3 belts. This is our 10th season. What you are proposing is I basically got bored after 190 events, 9 Grand Prix (again, haven;t won many of those), and 2 years of hard word and decided to scam my way into 4 belts at once just for the sake of saying I have all 4 at once? Where do you think the pleasure of that comes in? I would have rather had the first ever ManMMA champ (which is why I went out and acquired him many seasons after the fact). I have not upgraded these champions, and on many, many occasions, I have saved points until I got a new project fighter so as not to create overpowered fighters. None of my fighters are capped because I want them to be beatable. I also do not believe I have upgraded a reigning champion. All this being said, if the issue is simply HAVING the champions (or even having people that MIGHT become champions), what do you propose I do to resolve this issue that you seem to be having here? |
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Dec 2, 2013 2:22:18 GMT -5
my proposal was to increase your points/post ratio.. so you gain less points.. so that earning points becomes less of the sandmen show and more of the lets get other people to catch up to you show. Ever since i showed up here I've felt that I can never catch up to you or rocketmen or phoenix. Cause you guys have such crazy amounts of points due to crazy amounts of posting. BUT I never wanted to believe anyone could be cheating but with your 4th champion it reallky made me wonder if you were cheating.. and I had to say something. If you are legitimately not cheating.. i'm sorry for accusing you of such horrible behavior but you gotta see things from my side and realize it does look bad and something should be changed. If for example: Ferocity wins 4 championships. i wouldn't say anything about this cause she is not in control of the results. you are. When you have a good number of solid fighters on your team, who you don't have to worry about it makes it alot easier to use your points for good and easier to save your points.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 2, 2013 10:07:49 GMT -5
If you are legitimately not cheating.. i'm sorry for accusing you of such horrible behavior Thank you. my proposal was to increase your points/post ratio.. so you gain less points.. so that earning points becomes less of the sandmen show and more of the lets get other people to catch up to you show. Ever since i showed up here I've felt that I can never catch up to you or rocketmen or phoenix. I understand, but 2 things you need to consider that no one really knows, cause why would you. 1) I am still used to having to post my ass off to get any points at all. 200/point was absolute murder. If I didn't get lucky with a couple fighters right from the draft combined with not having FiD at the time, I would have been ruined. So I have gotten into the habit of posting like a madman both a) because it increases site activity, and b) because I needed to do it just to get a single damned point. And to be honest, having to post 200:1 while trying to keep Carano competitive with Rousey Cannon was upgrading the living fuck out of Rousey at a 50:1 post/point ratio was horrible. 2) If I could survive JUST posting the cards, I would. Not commenting on stuff saves me time and lets me work on the behind the scenes stuff I am weeks behind on. But I can't. a) Running the site it's my job to entertain everyone, and b) I would get 18 posts per card...at 2 cards a week...which is not even a point every 2 weeks. Ever since i showed up here I've felt that I can never catch up to you or rocketmen or phoenix. Unless he has an afternoon off and is bored, you post a shit ton more than ROcketmen now, and I felt the same way when Phoenix showed up and was getting 1 point per 50 posts and I was at 200. Luckily, he grabbed a team of project fighters and developed people he liked, instead of like...CHuck Liddells.  but you gotta see things from my side and realize it does look bad Of course. This is how I live my life on this site. It's why we have the rule that no champions are allowed in the Grand Prix (first GP I had 2 champions I think and didn;t want to have Silva run the table). It's why from the bery start I've had to post more than everyone else. And it's why when I am done and bored with a well-developed project, I trade them away (Kimbo is the biggest one, plus Benson, Stann, others). But there is a point where there is literally nothing you can do. Of the 4 champions I have now, 2 of them are like...old school guys. I haven't worked on them with my current 100:1 point thing, and there's not much I can do with them now that I developed them so much a year ago or so. They were developed projects that I worked on because I liked them and that I got bored with, and lost some interest in (at least in terms of being champions), and they are still good enough to win belts, whether I like it or not. I'm not trying to be a dick, but there is literally nothing I can do about that. Further, I always have, and always do, put my fighters in the N1C tournaments last; if there is not someone else, or if they are so ridiculously overdue for a fight it borders on a joke. Like, I think Aoki was only in the LW tournament because I think he was sitting at coming off like, 2 wins and having not fought in many, many events. Same was true with Anderson. There was literally no other match for Anderson at ManMMA 186 and he was long overdue. My options were like, Anderson vs. King Mo basically. And not wanting to look like I was inflating his record, I tossed him in the tourney since guys like Jones have beat him before. I am well aware of how it looks, and I don't love it any more than when Mike wins the Cup on our hockey sites - we are simmers, we know how it looks and we fucking hate it. But being part of the site, you kind of cannot help what the program does. There is no fun in winning belts if you cheat to do it, and even now, winning 4 belts should be an amazing accomplishment I should be happy about, but I feel shittier than if my whole fucking team went 0-5 this whole season. That's the part I do not want to continue. Yes, I am the simmer, but I should also be able to enjoy the site some. When you have a good number of solid fighters on your team, who you don't have to worry about it makes it alot easier to use your points for good and easier to save your points. I can't un-have those fighters, and I save my points for the sole purpose of letting people catch up. When I spend my points, its on a scrub like Askren. Or my 8 women, many of whom I just have to keep the women's devision strong. Which brings about another problem. If I am one of the only people developing women, and if that means that my women keep winning the women's belt, I look bad. See this cycle of Sandmen is fucked? I have people on my team that I want to develop to keep the site interesting, as much as to keep me interested. That's why I was going to grab Fedor, then why I had no problem giving him to you. He should be better. I have no interest in him as a fighter and would honestly rather work on Askren, Gracie, Tate, Nakai, Gurgel, Conor, etc. But for the site, I was hoping to make him a champion, because he is Fedor...he should be. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Dec 2, 2013 11:35:11 GMT -5
SO MANY WORDS, so little care.
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Post by The Sandmen on Dec 2, 2013 13:01:24 GMT -5
It's primarily stuff you know anyways, The Rocketmen. It was moreso to GAP who maybe has not seen all of the small things that went on at the beginning/formative timeframe of the site. |
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