D'Alelio will receive rematch vs. Carano

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

I've thought long and hard about this folks, and while I realize the delicacy of this situation and that there are some objections to a controversial decision like this, I feel it's necessary for the members of ManMMA to know that there is someone in this administration team that actually does have their back when things like this arise.

I also realize that his may look like I'm playing favorites because it's my own fighter that's involved, but I want to make it absolutely clear that while D'Alelio is my fighter, I would be making this decision regardless of who's fighter this particular thing happened to; and for the record, I would have granted a rematch to Cannon in his case as well on the JDS/Machida fight, had I been an admin at that time.

My feeling on this issue is simply this: the entire league was robbed of seeing an actual Women's Championship fight at MAnMMA 190. We all put so much work into upgrading our fighters to be the best they can be. And to have anyone make it to that level and earn that title shot only to have the championship fight end in that manner, regardless of the players involved, is just wrong. We want clear cut champions when the championships are decided, not just accept less than 30 sec. doctor stoppages and move on; the 30 sec. KO's are a completely different animal all together in my opinion. In those cases, there is no doubt, even when flash KO's happen and despite Carano's previous record in ManMMA, this fight does leave doubt in our minds when someone as good as Carano is in this league has to coast through like this.

Therefore, as an admin of this site, I am ruling that Carano/D'Alelio II will take place prior to Carano's next title defense; this rematch will likely take place at ManMMA 193.

Now, I understand that this is a controversial decision and likely isn't going to be popular with some of you due to the nature of it, the people involved or possibly even your own opinion of me. And that's fine; you're entitled to that. But this needs to happen for a few reasons:

1) ManMMA needs to show fairness & equality to ALL it's members; whether you're staff or a regular member and that our administration exudes that regardless of your league status.
2) ManMMA needs to actually exude the quality that we boast to everyone; not only that we have "The Best of the Best" fighters here, but that our champions are as well, regardless of what their name is or what team they represent.

And, this one's a bit personal, but does affect the entire league:

3) ManMMA & The Sandmen need to realize that there are in fact 2 admins in this league now, not just one, and that xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club is more than capable of making decisions for the betterment of ManMMA as a whole, if I am in fact what The Sandmen claims I am to this league. Because the fact is, if The Sandmen elects to try and overturn/overrule this decision, refuses to acknowledge it or even deletes this post (which he's been prone to doing lately), we then know that The Sandmen's claim that xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club being "staff" or a "2nd admin" has just been a farce right from the beginning and he's been lying to us all.

In any event, I appreciate you all taking the time to read this and feel free to comment here if you wish; post counts are important...  but I prefer any complaints be sent to my inbox and I'll be more than happy to discuss this issue with anyone personally.

Thank you.

xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Supplemental: I will also be putting forth a new rule to prevent this sort of issue from arising again that I will be discussing with The Sandmen in the coming days. But, in the spirit of the rule that has all championship fights being unlimited rounds until a winner is determined, I will be suggesting that we also implement a rule whereby any "doctor stoppage" within the first 30-45 secs of a fight be either subject to a review or basically just given an outright rematch whether champion or challenger incurs the "loss".

We spend our time and points on these fighters to get them to that level where they have earned their title shots, and they deserve to receive that shot and not have it end in 30 secs. due to a ridiculous stoppage in that short of time because it really is a waste of our time as GMs to put this effort forth and not even see a glimpse of the fruits of that labor we've put in.

[xx - Team GAP]

it needed to happen for fairness.

[Ferocity]

no it didn't. Following the rules as they exist needed to happen for fairness.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

this only benefits you PHX and you will lose again so no one was cheated of nothing and only you feel that way also if you would have backed jds for a rematch then where was the comments then saying I should have gotten a rematch Titles here are earned not giving why should you be an exception to the rule so this match is bs as me and ferocity both voted against it

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jan 4, 2014 21:58:57 GMT -5 Ferocity said:

no it didn't. Following the rules as they exist needed to happen for fairness.

I have to disagree a bit Ferocity. Things need to evolve and change, even within an existing and decent structure, to continue progressive growth and improvement. We didn't always have the "infinite round" rule and we had championship fights ended in draws at the end of 5 rounds; which was something we didn't want, so it was changed. This is really no different than that. And if we'd had something like this in place when Cannon's situation arose, he probably wouldn't have been quite as angry about and wouldn't have quit as the result of that bad beat.

I'm not saying this is to be implemented onto every fight, just the championship fights cuz they're supposed to be the most important fights in the league. We should get to see fights, not "Oh, I poked you in the eye. Doctor stopped it, oh well.", not 30secs into the fight anyways. It shouldn't work like that. We all spend time on this site posting to accumulating points to build our fighters for those championship moments, and I don't think it's right, fair or fun that anyone should have that taken away from them in that manner.

Again, this is a bigger issue than just Sarah losing. I even said this to Byron in a PM a minute ago, Sarah's lost a shit ton since she was drafted already, and she'll lose again... might even be in this rematch. My name's Kruze not Kreskin, so I don't know. All I know is that, as a member, when I spend time working on my fighters and get them to being no.1 contender, win or lose, I want to see a fight. If that means a literal KO (ie. Cyborg) or Sumbission (ie. Rousey) in the first 30secs, I don't like those personally, but to me, atleast that's a definitive finish, but a doctor stoppage over a "small cut" in a championship fight when, everything is supposed to be on the line, isn't fair to anyone.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

also weren't u making fun of me 4 quitting the site after that fight yet now I deserved the rematch?

[xx - The Underdog Regime]

To everyone opposed:



It's already been implimented, enough crying already. I'm stopping it early so nothing bad happens on this thread.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jan 4, 2014 23:53:32 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

this only benefits you PHX and you will lose again so no one was cheated of nothing and only you feel that way also if you would have backed jds for a rematch then where was the comments then saying I should have gotten a rematch Titles here are earned not giving why should you be an exception to the rule so this match is bs as me and ferocity both voted against it

I believe I joined the site just after you quit Cannon. You re-joined again after I'd been here a bit.

I honestly wish you could see past our own personal differences, our little feud or whatever it is we do on this site and see that I am doing this for everyone, not just me. This isn't an exception to the rule, this will be the new rule, for everyone.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Jan 4, 2014 23:55:59 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Jan 4, 2014 21:58:57 GMT -5 Ferocity said:

no it didn't. Following the rules as they exist needed to happen for fairness.

I have to disagree a bit Ferocity. Things need to evolve and change, even within an existing and decent structure, to continue progressive growth and improvement. We didn't always have the "infinite round" rule and we had championship fights ended in draws at the end of 5 rounds; which was something we didn't want, so it was changed. This is really no different than that. And if we'd had something like this in place when Cannon's situation arose, he probably wouldn't have been quite as angry about and wouldn't have quit as the result of that bad beat.

I'm not saying this is to be implemented onto every fight, just the championship fights cuz they're supposed to be the most important fights in the league. We should get to see fights, not "Oh, I poked you in the eye. Doctor stopped it, oh well.", not 30secs into the fight anyways. It shouldn't work like that. We all spend time on this site posting to accumulating points to build our fighters for those championship moments, and I don't think it's right, fair or fun that anyone should have that taken away from them in that manner.

Again, this is a bigger issue than just Sarah losing. I even said this to Byron in a PM a minute ago, Sarah's lost a shit ton since she was drafted already, and she'll lose again... might even be in this rematch. My name's Kruze not Kreskin, so I don't know. All I know is that, as a member, when I spend time working on my fighters and get them to being no.1 contender, win or lose, I want to see a fight. If that means a literal KO (ie. Cyborg) or Sumbission (ie. Rousey) in the first 30secs, I don't like those personally, but to me, atleast that's a definitive finish, but a doctor stoppage over a "small cut" in a championship fight when, everything is supposed to be on the line, isn't fair to anyone.

like it or not its fair and earn another shot

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Jan 5, 2014 0:00:55 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Jan 4, 2014 23:53:32 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

this only benefits you PHX and you will lose again so no one was cheated of nothing and only you feel that way also if you would have backed jds for a rematch then where was the comments then saying I should have gotten a rematch Titles here are earned not giving why should you be an exception to the rule so this match is bs as me and ferocity both voted against it

I believe I joined the site just after you quit Cannon. You re-joined again after I'd been here a bit.

I honestly wish you could see past our own personal differences, our little feud or whatever it is we do on this site and see that I am doing this for everyone, not just me. This isn't an exception to the rule, this will be the new rule, for everyone.

then everyone will demand rematches and wreck the tourney style put in place I opposed the tourney to begin with but u supported them but now that your fighter lost we have a new special rule?

[xx - Camp Cannon]

the thing is i dont even think sarah will win and itll be a wasted effort and only phx will ever get the rematch

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jan 4, 2014 23:59:03 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

also weren't u making fun of me 4 quitting the site after that fight yet now I deserved the rematch?

If I was making fun of you for quitting then I was because it's stupid reason to quit and we've been involved in a shit talking feud from nearly the time I arrived, but not because of the result of your fight.

[xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club]

Jan 5, 2014 0:05:23 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

Jan 5, 2014 0:00:55 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

I believe I joined the site just after you quit Cannon. You re-joined again after I'd been here a bit.

I honestly wish you could see past our own personal differences, our little feud or whatever it is we do on this site and see that I am doing this for everyone, not just me. This isn't an exception to the rule, this will be the new rule, for everyone.

then everyone will demand rematches and wreck the tourney style put in place I opposed the tourney to begin with but u supported them but now that your fighter lost we have a new special rule?

It won't wreck anything. It'd only be for the title fights, not other fights. It's basically for these types of circumstances, like the "infinite rounds" to prevent draws in championship fights. Do they happen allot? No, but it's there to basically ensure a finish, as this will be.

[xx - Camp Cannon]

Jan 5, 2014 0:14:47 GMT -5 xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club said:

Jan 5, 2014 0:05:23 GMT -5 xx - Camp Cannon said:

then everyone will demand rematches and wreck the tourney style put in place I opposed the tourney to begin with but u supported them but now that your fighter lost we have a new special rule?

It won't wreck anything. It'd only be for the title fights, not other fights. It's basically for these types of circumstances, like the "infinite rounds" to prevent draws in championship fights. Do they happen allot? No, but it's there to basically ensure a finish, as this will be.

but there was a finish a eye cut what don't u understand about that your the only one to ever receive a rematch i'll bitch about rousey getting one and you wont deem it worthy enough or some bull shit so no, no rematches this isn't ufc styled its bellator tourney styled and who gave you the power and pull to decide this is bullshit as well like or not its not going to happen as she not the number one contender and doesn't deserve a rematch until she wins another tourney