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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 19:59:41 GMT -5
Now sure, you can point at my roster size and say that I'm "hoarding talent" if you want, but how many of the fighters on my team do you or anyone else actually want for their teams? That is what the expansion option would determine. Everyone would be given a fair number of protects to keep who they wanted, and the new team could take fighters they WANTED. It's not just about winning, it's about having guys you want. If I just found this site today, there is literally no one available I would want. So I would not join, as there would be no fun. Even if someone offered me Cain Velasquez or Jon Fitch or Demetrius Johnson. Those are GOOD fighters, but not people that interest me. The expansion option has been implemented to give people a better pool to draw from when joining up. If there is no one on your team that anyone wants, then you have nothing to worry about with the Expansion option. As far as I'm concerned, if the want them then they can trade for them. I had to either pay or trade to get them myself, they should not get them for free. I didn't. |
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Post by xx - Camp Cannon on Mar 4, 2014 20:06:13 GMT -5
2 weight classes changes aren't cheating their in the rules so leave em be..
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 20:34:27 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, if the want them then they can trade for them. I had to either pay or trade to get them myself, they should not get them for free. I didn't. You got Brock as a gift for 4 points. Everyone here has got some Sandmen/Rocketmen charity at some point. What is left? The good Rocketmen talent has already been dispersed to pretty much nothing to keep new members happy (and ironically, they turn into ungrateful dankwards who feel they are entitled to everything they have been given for free). You're a charity case, PHX. Donno why you are so opposed to helping pay it forward to other members. If you just signed up now, you would appreciate a helping hand. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 20:35:51 GMT -5
That's no trade off. That's bullshit and abuse of power. LMAO, okay Kruze, I will warn, and then ban myself. Let's see how that works out for the site. #KruzeLogicinAction |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 21:15:58 GMT -5
That's no trade off. That's bullshit and abuse of power. LMAO, okay Kruze, I will warn, and then ban myself. Let's see how that works out for the site. #KruzeLogicinAction You know what I mean dude. I'm saying you need to curb your behavior as much as everyone else involved cuz your passive aggressive and often sarcastic comments, such as this one right here, are often the catalyst for many of the 'essays' and 'shit storms' you all love so much. Myself, Cannon and GAP are only part of the problem... you need to take a serious look at yourself and your actions as well if you really expect anything to change. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 21:35:31 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, if the want them then they can trade for them. I had to either pay or trade to get them myself, they should not get them for free. I didn't. You got Brock as a gift for 4 points. Everyone here has got some Sandmen/Rocketmen charity at some point. What is left? The good Rocketmen talent has already been dispersed to pretty much nothing to keep new members happy (and ironically, they turn into ungrateful dankwards who feel they are entitled to everything they have been given for free). You're a charity case, PHX. Donno why you are so opposed to helping pay it forward to other members. If you just signed up now, you would appreciate a helping hand. The Brock trade amounted to basically 5 points bud; 4 points + a pick, and you added a point more than you paid to get him from Mike, as some sort of a "fee", "punishment" or some shit cuz Mike got pissed off cuz I didn't feel his price was fair either after seeing other deals he'd done for similar fighters. That's not charity, that's extortion... so, call it ungrateful all want but when I see Coleman and Coenen for Davis who got passed off to you again then dropped in the draft, plus Cote & Calderwood, whom Mike just ended up dropping for points... yah, 5 points was extremely steep, even for Brock, and extremely jerky of you to add more to the price just to be a dick. Brock was most definitely NOT free, nor an extremely good deal and most definitely not one of those 'freebie' deals either. I feel like I've ever received this 'special treatment' at all, so sorry if I don't think that others should, especially now that I'm still being persecuted by the league for being active. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 22:09:50 GMT -5
If you got screwed, trade Brock for 5 points. Not interested? DIDN'T THINK SO.
Now stop your whining and bitching and weigh in on the actual issue at hand here.
Given the complete lack of quality left in the FA market here, I no longer feel 2 points is fair for a new team. The available fighters are not good. New people are crapshoots (look at Smith compared to Murphy - before the upgrades, Smith was about 6 overalls higher than Murphy, yet Smith cannot win a fight to save her life).
For that reason, for Issue #1, I vote a or b.
For issue #2, I vote c (with, as GAP said, 3-5 seasons, something like that - that's fair).
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 22:33:59 GMT -5
If you got screwed, trade Brock for 5 points. Not interested? DIDN'T THINK SO. Now stop your whining and bitching and weigh in on the actual issue at hand here. Given the complete lack of quality left in the FA market here, I no longer feel 2 points is fair for a new team. The available fighters are not good. New people are crapshoots (look at Smith compared to Murphy - before the upgrades, Smith was about 6 overalls higher than Murphy, yet Smith cannot win a fight to save her life). For that reason, for Issue #1, I vote a or b. For issue #2, I vote c (with, as GAP said, 3-5 seasons, something like that - that's fair). No one was whining or bitching here bud; stating your opinion isn't bitching and complaining... or do you just consider it bitching when folks don't agree with you? That seems a more the case. I feel I was screwed a little on the Brock deal because of the principle it was supposed to be one of those gift deals and you chose to profit on it. I've never once said I was displeased with having him. All my votes still stand: Issue #1: Abolish the Expansion draft, but new team bonus remains at 2 points or I'd be amenable to 4-5; 10 points is way too much. Issue #2:Keep the weight class changes the way they are. It's my opinion that it shouldn't be restricted now just because Sandman has a problem with how someone else is using it after he used it himself in virtually the same way but also the point of protecting fighters would be moot if we take out the Expansion draft option. |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 4, 2014 22:54:28 GMT -5
Avoiding this thread now. Same fight in multiple threads. Nothing I wrote or suggested or Justin wrote has been taken into consideration. Good to know. Everyones quick to suggest we stop, but no one is willing to listen to themselves. Sad.
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 23:23:02 GMT -5
It's my opinion that it shouldn't be restricted now just because Sandman has a problem with how someone else is using it after he used it himself in virtually the same way 1) Moving a champion UP to harder competition is not even the same ball park as moving a former champion DOWN to weaker competition. 2) The reason the change is being considered is because of the simulator itself. I am not willing to deal with changing weight classes every 2 events for people who have no interest in actually having a fighter at that weight class. That is not how things work in real life. People have a weight class, and maybe bump up or down for a fight (which we still have - with catchweight fights), but they still have a native weight class that does not change several times a year. That is what is being discussed here. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 23:25:38 GMT -5
Nothing I wrote or suggested or Justin wrote has been taken into consideration. I feel the same way about what I've suggested and brought to the table here as well. But by saying that are you saying that you didn't take mine into consideration either? For me, just cuz I disagree doesn't mean I haven't taken other things into consideration, just means I don't agree. I started out offering my own point of view and I've given what I think should happen, and I don't think it should be just the cut and dried a) option for abolishing the Expansion draft cuz I feel 10 points is too much based on the facts I've offered and because I'm for getting rid of the Expansion draft, it eliminates the concern of "protecting" fighters by moving them to different weight classes, therefore no real need to change the weight class movement. no one is willing to listen to themselves. Sad. Again, feel the same about you and Justin too dude. Something's gotta give there or the same shit just keeps happening. We all have to collectively just stop cuz it seems like each one of us is expecting for the other to stop but we're just perpetually retorting and responding. If we all just agree it all stops now and move on, it'd be allot easier on all of us. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 23:30:25 GMT -5
Again, feel the same about you and Justin too dude. Something's gotta give there Wrong. When you were staff, I was willing to give. I gave and gave, and you appreciated none of it. So now, you get what you have now. As you once said, "Suck it up, buttercup". Or, as they say in the States. "Love it, or leave it". I posted a picture of a door somewhere. Feel free to go find it. I am done arguing bullshit in this thread now, and anything off-topic will be deleted. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Mar 4, 2014 23:32:25 GMT -5
Back on topic.
Expansion draft. I agree it should probably be removed, but the addition of 8 points for new teams is a very fair trade off for having NOTHING to pick through when forming a team. I am one of the biggest MMA fans on earth, and there are barely 4 fighters from all time left that I would be interested in having on a team. The trade-off for a shitty starting team is more mobility to do something with them.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Mar 4, 2014 23:46:42 GMT -5
It's my opinion that it shouldn't be restricted now just because Sandman has a problem with how someone else is using it after he used it himself in virtually the same way 1) Moving a champion UP to harder competition is not even the same ball park as moving a former champion DOWN to weaker competition. 2) The reason the change is being considered is because of the simulator itself. I am not willing to deal with changing weight classes every 2 events for people who have no interest in actually having a fighter at that weight class. That is not how things work in real life. People have a weight class, and maybe bump up or down for a fight (which we still have - with catchweight fights), but they still have a native weight class that does not change several times a year. That is what is being discussed here. 1) I disagree that the competition is any easier or any harder because it's been proven that lower overall fighters do not indicate lesser competition just as higher overall does not indicate harder competition, but transversely the one fighter that did move up didn't really provide any harder competition since he just mows through everyone at the higher weight class just as he did in the lower one. So I'm seriously not seeing why you come back to this when this was a fact. 2) The part I bolded there is the part I do agree with to a point. Moving up and down SEVERAL times in a season is ridiculous but if you do move up or down and after a few fights you're not liking it or you feel that the fighter is struggling at that weight class, you should be able to send him back to his original weight class without having to wait for 1-5 season, damaging his record or shelving him and not having him fight at all for those 1-5 seasons. Folks move up or down weight class during seasons RL all the time, Leslie Smith was a most recent example when she dropped down from Bantam weight to fight Honchak for the title. That does happen in real life. So I don't see the problem as long as it's not abused like doing it 10 times a season just for the sake of doing it... I agree, that's stupid. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 5, 2014 1:44:24 GMT -5
i offer my guys that are good that i don care too much about to new guys and if some new guy comes expansion or not i prolly still offer some guys up. i don see what the big deal is its just a site. you aint makin real money off your fighters they aint cost you nothin so who cares you still get to keep em with expansion you just lose 1 or 2 or somethin.
my votes
thing 1 - i vote keep it or whatever is easiest i don care at all imma still do my thing and offer new guys good guys cause im a peaceful bloke
thing2 - some switching but not all the time or nothin.
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