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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on May 25, 2014 2:04:07 GMT -5
thats got nothin to do with it. if i want to move my guys builds around i cant so why should capped people be able to? its just nother advantage to having the best fighters so the best get better and the rest stay at the bottom
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 3:30:04 GMT -5
thats got nothin to do with it. if i want to move my guys builds around i cant so why should capped people be able to? its just nother advantage to having the best fighters so the best get better and the rest stay at the bottom It's got everything to do with it... You answered your own question... capped fighters can't upgrade. They need to work with what they have... it's no advantage since they have the same points to work with. |
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Post by Ferocity on May 25, 2014 9:45:43 GMT -5
i agree that capped fighters should be able to fine tune... but it should come with a drawback... note my idea to drop a point in order to rebuild your fighter back up... i don't agree to just allowing a fighter to swap at no cost or no drawback. agreed |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 14:08:09 GMT -5
i agree that capped fighters should be able to fine tune... but it should come with a drawback... note my idea to drop a point in order to rebuild your fighter back up... i don't agree to just allowing a fighter to swap at no cost or no drawback. agreed Why should there be a drawback when those of us that have put the points into these capped fighters have already spent 40-50+ points? That makes no sense... that's like placing a tax upon another tax. These fighters have reached the peak, for now, in this league, why should the team be subjected to even more penalties to fine tune these fighters when they're allegedly supposed to be at the top of their game? Again, that makes no sense. |
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Post by The Sandmen on May 25, 2014 14:39:35 GMT -5
Because for every fighter upgrade/modification, there is a cost.
Right now, you pay 1 point to increase an attribute. That remains with GAP's system, it's just in order to make room under the cap for that upgrade, you need to remove a point from elsewhere.
It really makes perfect sense, actually.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 14:48:06 GMT -5
Because for every fighter upgrade/modification, there is a cost. Right now, you pay 1 point to increase an attribute. That remains with GAP's system, it's just in order to make room under the cap for that upgrade, you need to remove a point from elsewhere. It really makes perfect sense, actually. I actually have no problem with paying a point to re-distribute points; that makes sense to me. It's the dropping of points to add is what I have a major problem with. It's a waste of points in my view. |
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Post by The Sandmen on May 25, 2014 14:50:42 GMT -5
It's literally exactly the same as paying a point to re-distribute, lol. You are just doing it to re-distribute one point at a time.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 15:03:07 GMT -5
It's literally exactly the same as paying a point to re-distribute, lol. You are just doing it to re-distribute one point at a time. No it's not the same at all. Under the current system, you're effectively paying 2 points to re-distribute 1 point. And that's ridiculous after you've already spent 40-50+ points on a fighter. It's not right. |
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Post by Ferocity on May 25, 2014 15:12:54 GMT -5
but it's the price you pay for fucking up. We do it so people don't just dump points wherever without thought. It costs you more because you're paying a tax for screwing up. It's kinda real life like- if you train too hard in one area that doesn't help you win, you have to work to undo that first, then train in the new skill.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 15:29:43 GMT -5
but it's the price you pay for fucking up. We do it so people don't just dump points wherever without thought. It costs you more because you're paying a tax for screwing up. It's kinda real life like- if you train too hard in one area that doesn't help you win, you have to work to undo that first, then train in the new skill. In my own case, there was no real fuck up on my part though... Sarah's fighting exactly the way she was designed to... the problem with her now lays solely with her initial build and not having as high of KO resistance as she likely should have had in the first place. Sandman's refusing to take ownership of his own oversight in the initial build. Regardless, it's obvious that we've invested in these fighters or they would not be capped in the first place. Why should we be penalized even more to make them the best they can be? |
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Post by The Sandmen on May 25, 2014 17:28:38 GMT -5
the problem with her now lays solely with her initial build and not having as high of KO resistance as she likely should have had in the first place. Sandman's refusing to take ownership of his own oversight in the initial build. Sarah's 7-6 in real life, with her biggest name wins coming over Vanessa Porto and Amanda Nunes... She's lost to Nakai, Rousey, Baszler, Murphy, and Kedzie in real life. She is 11-15 here, fighting the best of all time. I'd say I did a pitch-perfect job on her initial build, to be honest. That is very much beside the point, though, as every woman here is created by the same scale and estimation. The actual point of your suggestion seems to be getting cheaper/free-er upgrades for capped fighters, and it doesn't seem people want that. I think this poll has shown that, more than anything, people are really happy with GAPs system, which is what we have now. So there is no point in bringing about a change to fix something that only 1 member thinks is broken. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on May 25, 2014 19:40:00 GMT -5
the problem with her now lays solely with her initial build and not having as high of KO resistance as she likely should have had in the first place. Sandman's refusing to take ownership of his own oversight in the initial build. Sarah's 7-6 in real life, with her biggest name wins coming over Vanessa Porto and Amanda Nunes... She's lost to Nakai, Rousey, Baszler, Murphy, and Kedzie in real life. She is 11-15 here, fighting the best of all time. I'd say I did a pitch-perfect job on her initial build, to be honest. That is very much beside the point, though, as every woman here is created by the same scale and estimation. The actual point of your suggestion seems to be getting cheaper/free-er upgrades for capped fighters, and it doesn't seem people want that. I think this poll has shown that, more than anything, people are really happy with GAPs system, which is what we have now. So there is no point in bringing about a change to fix something that only 1 member thinks is broken. What poll are you looking at? This poll clearly shows that I'm not the only one that feels this is not the way it should be. If what you're saying were true, I'd be the only one up there with a yes vote, and clearly I'm not. As for being pitch-perfect in Sarah's initial build, you're on glue if you think that. Facts are facts.... yes she has had decision losses to Nakai, Murphy & Kedzie, but of all her losses, not a single one has ever been via KO, that should be taken into account in the initial build, clearly that didn't fit into your "pitch-perfect" calculations. lol |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 22:32:06 GMT -5
majority are saying no right now.
hahahahaha suck it Kruze
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Post by The Sandmen on May 25, 2014 22:41:35 GMT -5
What poll are you looking at? This poll clearly shows that I'm not the only one that feels this is not the way it should be. If what you're saying were true, I'd be the only one up there with a yes vote, and clearly I'm not. I am looking at the one that is currently 5-3 in favour of NOT your change. And if you go by the comments, it's actually 7-2, since Ferocity is against it but has not voted, and GAP voted Yes in your poll but is against your change (poor poll wording). Being that we have 12 active ManMMA members, I think it's safe to close this poll and delcare it a no. We have 6 votes against, so best we'll get out of this if Storm, Cannon, Rocketmen, and Knockouts support it is a 6-6 draw. I'd want a heavy majority for a change like this, since I would be performing an action in the simulator itself I am not comfortable with. |
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Post by xx - The Broad Street Bullies on May 25, 2014 22:59:16 GMT -5
Calm down you two. Leave it as is for now, and if it become a major problem with more support, it will be changed.
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