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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 25, 2014 9:24:24 GMT -5
I kinda don't like having to do these in 2 parts, but what can ya do. I'll continue tagging people in the second part when thier fighters are mentioned in the FiD section.
Immediate post-fight news is slim here.
- Primarily, there are no indications Rich Franklin's messed up eye will keep him out of training or action for any extended period of time.
- Secondly, and perhaps the biggest news of the event, is following his loss to Randy Couture, Anderson has informed ManMMA that he is moving back down to his native weightclass of Middleweight, and hopes to give Wanderlei a challenge. Rumour has it he is getting a head of himself, but time will tell.
FiD stuff coming soon.
Any questions, comments, or concerns in the mean time?
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 25, 2014 21:01:37 GMT -5
-Good news about Franklin.
-Doesn't Anderson have to wait til the end of the season to shift weightclasses? You've made others do so... allowing Anderson to move down after the season's started is showing favoritism, is it not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 21:50:44 GMT -5
Why should he move down to middleweight?? He has shown that he is an amazing fighter in heavyweight.
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Post by xx - Team GAP on Jul 26, 2014 1:52:46 GMT -5
Silva should stay as a heavyweight.
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 26, 2014 11:35:18 GMT -5
To me, it doesn't matter what weight class he's in, TBH. He dominates in both. It's just the fact when Machida went to heavyweight and Camp Cannon decided after fight or 2 that he wanted to drop him back down middleweight, he was told he wasn't allowed to til the off season. Now, if I'm remembering that correctly, and that is the case, then Anderson should need to wait til the end of the season like everyone else IMO, as the precedent has already been set. I don't think it's fair to anyone else if Anderson's allowed to do this mid-season, but anyone else that wants to cannot.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 26, 2014 12:08:24 GMT -5
Now, if I'm remembering that correctly, and that is the case, You're not, and it's not. Here's what happened. 1. Bullies was coming back and told me he was thinking about the expansion draft route, so I started thinking about fair ways to set up the expansion draft, as we have never used it here before. Originally, when it was set up, it was a certain number of protects across your whole team (since we all had the same number of fighters). But we have evolved since then, and instead of putting a cap on the number of fighters you could protect (thus screwing people like PHX), I was thinking about putting a percentage number of protects on each weight class. (this was all pre-planning, and nothing was done, or set in stone). I talked to several members, gathering input on other ideas. 2) When Cannon heard this, he immediately said he would move Machida to HW until the expansion draft was over, then move him right back down to MW once it was done. 3) I told him no, he would not be doing that, as the purpose of letting people move weight classes was to mix up matchmaking and make the site more fun. Not circumvent an expansion draft to screw over new teams. 4) After that, expansion draft has since been dropped, and concurrently, discussions were had about how frequently someone can change weight classes. I think we settled on like, once every 2 seasons or something.
But since Anderson is a) a native Middleweight, b) fought the majority of his fights here at HW, and c) been at HW for like, 6 seasons, the right move now is a move to Middleweight. Half of this change is apparent now (since the MW division has got a lot better since he moved up), but some of it will be more clear later, once I see where Anderson sits in the current MW landscape. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 26, 2014 16:01:36 GMT -5
Now, if I'm remembering that correctly, and that is the case, You're not, and it's not. Here's what happened. 1. Bullies was coming back and told me he was thinking about the expansion draft route, so I started thinking about fair ways to set up the expansion draft, as we have never used it here before. Originally, when it was set up, it was a certain number of protects across your whole team (since we all had the same number of fighters). But we have evolved since then, and instead of putting a cap on the number of fighters you could protect (thus screwing people like PHX), I was thinking about putting a percentage number of protects on each weight class. (this was all pre-planning, and nothing was done, or set in stone). I talked to several members, gathering input on other ideas. 2) When Cannon heard this, he immediately said he would move Machida to HW until the expansion draft was over, then move him right back down to MW once it was done. 3) I told him no, he would not be doing that, as the purpose of letting people move weight classes was to mix up matchmaking and make the site more fun. Not circumvent an expansion draft to screw over new teams. 4) After that, expansion draft has since been dropped, and concurrently, discussions were had about how frequently someone can change weight classes. I think we settled on like, once every 2 seasons or something.
But since Anderson is a) a native Middleweight, b) fought the majority of his fights here at HW, and c) been at HW for like, 6 seasons, the right move now is a move to Middleweight. Half of this change is apparent now (since the MW division has got a lot better since he moved up), but some of it will be more clear later, once I see where Anderson sits in the current MW landscape. Either way, I still disagree with this man... Sorry. Cuz unless you're going to be allowing others to do the same (ie. If I wanted to move Cote up to HW right now; for example. Would you allow me to? I doubt it.), regardless of whether it's their fighter's "native" weight class or not, I don't think it's fair to the league, nor the MW division, to be able to make an exception for Anderson just because he's Anderson and allow him to go up and down as he pleases. We had this discussion when I was staff, and you always remained adamant that it needed to be done in the off-season, if it was done, and not mid-season to be fair to the league. But now it's fine cuz it's Anderson? And it's his "native" division? Sorry again, but no. This looks even more bad because it's your fighter too. Others can weigh in, and a couple have, but I can't agree to this unless you're going to allow others to do the same. IMO It's not fair to anyone but yourself to do this right now. Anderson suddenly lost the HW title fight and NOW he wants to be a MW again cuz he got beat? Think about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:15:52 GMT -5
Can I move Cain Velasquez down to middleweight??
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Post by Ferocity on Jul 26, 2014 17:20:41 GMT -5
oi... Anderson moved to be less dominant and that DID happen to some extent. He is free to move back down to his weight class and it's probably an ok idea because the field in middleweight is much denser and more competitive now.
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 26, 2014 18:32:08 GMT -5
Either way, I still disagree with this man... Sorry. Cuz unless you're going to be allowing others to do the same (ie. If I wanted to move Cote up to HW right now; for example. Would you allow me to? I doubt it.), regardless of whether it's their fighter's "native" weight class or not, I don't think it's fair to the league, nor the MW division, to be able to make an exception for Anderson just because he's Anderson and allow him to go up and down as he pleases. We had this discussion when I was staff, and you always remained adamant that it needed to be done in the off-season, if it was done, and not mid-season to be fair to the league. But now it's fine cuz it's Anderson? And it's his "native" division? Sorry again, but no. This looks even more bad because it's your fighter too. Others can weigh in, and a couple have, but I can't agree to this unless you're going to allow others to do the same. IMO It's not fair to anyone but yourself to do this right now. Anderson suddenly lost the HW title fight and NOW he wants to be a MW again cuz he got beat? Think about it. 1) That's fine if you disagree, but it is not a discussion. It's what is happening, becuase it effects no one, and long-term, it's better for the site (as I said, you only see half of what is planned here, the rest is coming eventually) 2) Two people have asked actually to change weight classes, and both have been accommodated without problem. You are just stirring up crap now for the sake of it, and I am nicely requesting that you stop now, before you escalate this into a "thing". 3) You think it's "unfair" to the middleweight division that a middleweight fight there? lol |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 26, 2014 19:23:47 GMT -5
Can I move Cain Velasquez down to middleweight?? He hasn't fought a pro fight at middleweight or welterweight. If he had, he could probably drop down, yes. |
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 26, 2014 19:30:20 GMT -5
Can I move Cain Velasquez down to middleweight?? He hasn't fought a pro fight at middleweight or welterweight. If he had, he could probably drop down, yes. On that note, Patrick Cote RICH FRANKLIN is officially moving up to HW. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 26, 2014 19:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by xx - Former Phoenix Fight Club on Jul 26, 2014 19:38:31 GMT -5
What about it? Cote was a Light Heavyweight from 2002-2005, but I'm actually going to go with Rich Franklin to HW instead. |
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Post by The Sandmen on Jul 26, 2014 19:39:19 GMT -5
You're not doing anything until you read the FAQ and go about this process the right way.
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Have 9 points in celebration of this monumental achievement!